Mattis: US National Security No Longer Terrorism

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ya think Kelly has effectively staged a coup?
     
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    Yes. And the Great Britain too. :)
     
  3. Mircea

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    To further US Geo-Strategic plans.
     
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    I'm really pissed off for having to read through all that drivel, this is about US National Security the road ahead, I believe Mattis got it right, who cares if Russia's feeling hurt.

    I liked this line in particular from Mattis

    a bit John Waynish don't you think

    btw I'm not American, however my fate is tied to America's and I was becoming concerned the US was dropping the ball. Clearly no need to worry, they are taking care of business.

    All the blabbering of... let me find them...."war mongering, imperialism and hegemony, Demonizing russia, jump headlong into hypocrisy" is blah ****ing blah. Russia turned it's back on the west a decade ago, Putin hated the "one world order" and Ukraine tilting towards the west, he set out to increase his forces along his western border and started modernising his military. Add the invasion of Crimea, Donbass, Montenegro, flexing muscles in Syria and waging cyberwarfare.... what did he think was going to happen. I'm quite sure he expected this move so you're more than likely crying all by yourself



     
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  5. One Mind

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    So the Bush Sr. promise to russia that nato would not move past a unified germany was broken and as they moved in towards russia, Putin build up defenses, and he is the bad actor here? Well, you have to, IMO, be guilty of hypocrisy to hold such a one sided position. I understand though that you think it is best for you, an Australian if the US grows its empire...but that ain;t gonna happen. And you see to scoff at hegemony when that is exactly what PNAC lays out, specifically. Perhaps you should actually get informed on all sides of this issue? It might not change your mind but at least you then could not deny what you deny. Or ignore.

    If you think that my nation, the US is a force of good in this world, you are obviously not paying much attention. I am not saying russia is, for they are not. But someone should serve that role and it should be an empire who does it. Does not mean the empire will tolerate an aggressive russia or an aggression NK But we should never be the aggressor, and that is what we have been. Unlike you I want a good america, a principled america and a moral america. Novel huh? I sure do not want the rest of the world to emulate us as we are now. And no patriotic american would. America is the vision of our founders. Who were moral principle and very wise men. They would not care much for you attitude and beliefs, IMO.
     
  6. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    I'm broadly comfortable with Russia and I prefer the world to be multi-polar rather than uni polar.
     
  7. Concord

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    As an American I'd be perfectly content with a unipolar world.

    Of course it's always a bit of an oversimplification. I believe that America will be the most powerful nation in a world of other substantially powerful nations. The only juggernaut contenders, the EU and China, I believe are on the verge of significant regionalization. That leaves a large number of major contenders, like Turkey and Mexico.
     
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    If I had to choose between a uni polar world under Russia or America, I would choose America.
    But it is not my aim to end up in such a limited position and I don't think the world would be a better place for it.

    I don't see China breaking up any more than I see America doing so.
    The EU, possibly. But more... never really uniting in the first place. I don't see it as a juggernaut so much as a flock of sheep.
     
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  9. Concord

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    I don't think China will break up in some Warring States manner, I think the country will continue to exist on maps as it does, but the reality will be that foreign actors, especially Japan, utilize the greed and corruption of China's wealthy coast to drive an economic wedge between the Chinese state and it's coastal elite.

    I have no idea if I'm right, obviously, but already we can look at China and see the fault-line forming between the Politburo and powerful business interests along the coast. The Politburo wants to reinvest money in the interior to keep the peasants from repeating Mao's revolution, while the businessmen want to move that money as quickly as possible into foreign markets. The "Chinese buying everything up" is a sign of weakness, not strength.
     
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    I'm not upon Chinese domestic politics. I'll pass on that one too.
    It's big enough to collapse easily. But I'm not aware of it doing so or showing any especial signs of doing so.

    I think the nation was unified in war against the Japanese.
    That they are one people.
    (Give or take the odd Uighar and Tibetan).
     
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  11. scarlet witch

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    :roflol: please post me a map of the frontline I'd like to see how far NATO forces managed to push into Russia... :lol:



    this paragraph ^^^ is full of hot air raving on what you think of me personally... yawn



    ok so either you are clueless on what Russia's been doing let me inform you

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/p...n/news-story/16ef0f8642b1699f805f324489942345

    So really the only thing new is that the US will now follow Russia’s lead. That should make you happy, since you’re so opposed to hegemony…

    As for demonizing Russia yes may they burn in hell. The world had an opportunity to rid itself of nuclear weapons, now we’re back to the arms race. Yes **** you very much Russia and China, I am indeed angry about it.

    But please, I’d like to see you burn Russia for developing a doomsday weapon since you’re supposedly so sanctimonious…. Ok I’m waiting…. Go… or are you not allowed criticism of Russia
     
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    Well, then what was all the stuff about WMDs?
     
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    Obviously a way of drumming up support. I imagine you knew the answer.
     
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    One thing about WMD's, back in 2003 or 2004 they changed the definition of what a WMD is.

    Except the U.S. Army's Chemical Corps who still stands by their definition of what is a WMD and it hasn't changed in decades.

    The MSM has their own definition for WMD's so does the Democratic party, etc, to further their political agendas.

    The mustard gas and sarin gas found in Iraq are WMD's according to the U.S. Army.

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    https://armyhistory.org/the-u-s-army-chemical-corps-past-present-and-future/


    Chemical Warfare Agent Exposure during Operations Iraqi Freedom and New Dawn
    https://phc.amedd.army.mil/topics/envirohealth/em/Pages/CWA.aspx
     
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    Yeah -

    we all know who backs terrorism in foreign policy ...



    Two Degrees of Separation:
    Tsarnaev Brothers Had a CIA Connection


    By Dave Lindorff




    "Now it turns out that the two young men suspected of having placed the exploding pressure-cooker bombs at the finish line of the marathon, the slain Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, and his imprisoned younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, have an uncle, Ruslan Tsarni (he changed his name from Tsarnaev after immigrating to the US), who was until 1999 married to Samantha Ankara Fuller, daughter of a high-ranking CIA operations officer named Graham Fuller. (Fuller, who has called any suggestion of links between his former son-in-law and the CIA “absurd” retired from the Agency and went to work with the Rand Corp., where he focused on the Middle East.).

    Fuller, reportedly at one time a CIA station chief in Kabul, Afghanistan, also worked over the years as an operations officer in such intelligence hotspots as Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Yemen, as well as Hong Kong.

    Uncle Ruslan at one point during his marriage to Fuller’s daughter, was running a curious organization called the Congress of Chechen International Organizations which listed as its address Fuller’s home in Rockville, MD, a Washington DC suburb. (The CCIO ostensibly provided charity aid to Chechnya, though the true nature of that "aid" was probably something else.) Tsarni, in the organization’s Maryland registration document, listed its activity very generically (and uninformatively) as “ordinary business.” It appears that Ruslan Tsarni also, during the 1990s, reportedly worked as a consultant in Kazakhstan, another former Soviet republic, for US AID, an organization that has often served to provide cover for CIA operatives."


    www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34798.htm





    :thumbsdown::wtf:
     
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    Russia and China are a threat that needs to be addressed I have been saying that long before the Trumpocity came along.
     
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    That would be the long and short of it.
     
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    Russia did nothing to hurt ISIS. Russia justbsupppiryed thecAssad tegimecand hurt those who were against Assad.
     
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    Sounds like some hindsight conspiracy theories to me. I am not saying I agree or disagree. I would just like to see or hear something that looks or sounds like the truth. Honestly, that war took some of my best friends from me. I would love to know the truth.
     
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    blah-blah! Fake nooze!!
     
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    You'll have to do a bit better than that to change the narrative of history.
     
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    No. And maybe, sort of. The sense of things I have is that the neocons are largely back in control of US foreign policy, and Trump's brief foray into that area has been fundamentally slapped down by them, so it's back to the neocon future.
     
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    Yes, but to a noticeably lesser extent.

    What've the Romans ever done for us...
     
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    Just now, yes.
    Pardon? What do you mean? Romans kept your land 5 centuries only too much time ago. What did they do for modern English people?
     

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