McCarthy & Hillary- Damning Display of Honesty

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  1. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://time.com/4055534/kevin-mccarthy-hillary-clinton-benghazi/?xid=homepage

    How will this effect McCarthy replacing Boehner?
    How will this effect HRC's campaign for President?
     
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    Probably won't affect him getting the job...who would want it.

    The effect will be minor. Those already disposed to hate her will continue to. Those already disposed to like her will continue to. It may change 1 or 2% of the independents but most independents already have an opinion on Hill.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree. He does seem to want the job, for some strange reason. With the struggle between the factions of the Republican party, spilling these beans can't be good, but it may not prevent him from getting the job. I think he helped Hillary though.
     
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    He did give her ammunition to bash their heads at the hearing. She has already shown she is more than willing a capable to that. One thing for sure is this makes the upcoming hearings must see TV.
     
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    it shows how dishonest republicans are

    this is the kind of thing that got obama elected twice
     
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    In today's Trump vision of statesmanship this will be considered a plus on his resume. The extreme right doesn't hear "we created a special committee for purely political reasons with no other intent than harming an opposing candidate" as a bad thing.
     
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    It won't.

    I think McCarthy was playing to the hard right by admitting that Gowdy's investigation is a political exercise (not that it's a surprise to anyone).

    Of course, it costs the GOP the moral high ground on their Benghazi witch hunt, but few people bought that idea anyway.
     
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    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think Hillary will use his comments and beat them over the head with it when she testifies. I think she should. As a taxpayer, I resent paying for the time and trouble they have gone to on this political smear campaign, especially when there were so many real problems they could have used that time on. I also think McCarthy just proved he is indiscrete, which is usually not a good political quality.
     
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    So...

    Talking about a crime,

    Planning strategy because of a crime,

    Plotting the dismissal of a person who is guilty of having committed a crime,

    Is now worse than the crime?

    Yes, my children, that's how democrats think.

    And they wonder why we laugh at them!
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Why should it effect it, what be said said is absolutely true. I said way back she was not trustworthy and should never be placed in a position of the public trust and Democrats should be wary with thier gloating she was unbeatable because as usual scandal would arise with her.
     
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    Yes especially when they get to the part

    Madame Secretary you were schooled in what is and what is not classified information and the much classified information is born classified that sometimes your simple utterencws are classified when you state them, yes?

    Madame Secretary you signed documents acknowledging that training and understanding the penalties for negligent mishandling of that information, yes?

    Madame Secretary you stated NO classifieds information was ever on your server and that you knew what classified information was [roll the video], yes?

    Madame Secretary can you explain why currently over 400 emails with classified information including our most highly classifieds information, including emails you originated containing highly classified information have been found on your unseure server we know that Russian hackers were making efforts to hack and experts say that they are 90% sure did hack?
     
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    Do you even know what is the issue here? Do you just not care she lied about her handling of our most sensitive information and endangered our national security in order to conduct our government business beyond any oversight and accountability? Woulduou really out her back into a position of the public trust responsible for guarding our secrets and in charge of our national interest?
     
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    Indiscreet is not a good political quality. But I think in this case that McCarthy was doing so deliberately.

    The Benghazi investigation isn't going to change anyone's minds, because they aren't going to find anything new.

    Their hope is to keep this e-mail thing going. There doesn't seem to be too much to that either. Just about everyone in politics uses some sort of unofficial means of communication.

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    Everyone in politics uses some sort of back channel means of communication.

    When Bush and Cheney were doing it, they used RNC servers.
     
  14. bois darc chunk

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    Well, from what he said, seems he and other people that were responsible for calling the special select committee were fairly untrustworthy as well. After all, they used tax payer money and the media to smear a political foe. Frankly, as a moderate independent voter, this kind of tactic is just as repugnant to me as her using a private server. I really dislike these slapping contests.

    Yes, I'm fairly confident I know what the issue is. No, I'm not really all that concerned about her emails and I don't think I am alone in that. It looks like a political witch hunt to me and I'm bored with it being in the news. It reminds me of the Benghazi hearings where political hacks were determined to play "gotcha" and ended up with nothing. If they had some big breach of national security in those emails, we would have already heard about it.

    I think they all lie at times. I expect that to happen. I'm sick of the partisan bickering and nothing getting done in Washington, DC because of it.
     
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    the ones that aren't trustworthy are lying republicans

    that use the same strategy continuously, namely, fabricating fake scandals

    that tactic fail in both of the last two elections; why not be honest and discuss real issues?

    instead of pandering to the lowest common denominator with emotion, fear and ignorance
     
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    McCarthy may have wished to bury Issa's dead fatwa, but he just collapsed the principle stage upon which Gowdy had to strut.

    Byzantine hijinks in the volatile and loathed GOP House?

    It's just too ghoulish trying to keep the "scandal" on life support long after the official postmort: August 1, 2014. The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans
     
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    Well, both the Hillary campaign and the left are jumping on this because they are both desperate but the fact is that the Benghazi investigation uncovered Hillary's email and lying and has proved that the Libya mess is all Hillary's as she was directly in charge of destabilizing the region leading up to the deaths of Americans.
     
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    i remember when republicans were saying the same thing about obama, his birth certificate

    and all the other fake scandals that republicans fabricated; smart people see right through it
     
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    Isn't going to happen.

    Do you guys know what is meant by ex-post-facto? The emails that were found to contain classified information were classified AFTER Hillary saw them. Not before. So the questions will most likely be;

    Madame Secretary why didn't you use your crystal ball to look into the future and see that those emails would be later classified?

    Madame Secretary please explain your gross inability to see into the future?

    Madame Secretary do you think your were qualified to be Secretary of State given that you cannot see into the future?

    What a farce.
     
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    She IS untrustworthy. She IS responsible for Benghazi No matter how hard she tries to weasel out of culpability. Her foreign policy was/and still is a disaster. Her political history is scandal ridden dating back to before her time as First Lady of Arkansas. She should retire and be a grandmother.
     
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    Haha smart people?
     
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    yes, the same smart people that laughed at birthers


    even republicans were forced to admit they could find no evidence of wrongdoing


    GOP panel on Benghazi finds no Obama administration wrongdoing

    The CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, a Republican-controlled House committee has found. Its report concluded that there was no wrongdoing by Obama administration officials.

    Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the two-year investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.


    http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-house-benghazi-20141123-story.html
     
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    $4,592,558.06 to be exact is the cost to taxpayers, but why would that matter to the GOP? Real problems do not matter when a party has zero intentions or will to govern an are merely there to self-serve.

    No, McCarthy is not indiscrete, he's very inexperienced and just plain stupid to boot. To have him as Speaker would be hilariously funny as he misspeaks like a champ, if it were not so scary, as he would be a just a couple of heartbeats from the presidency.
     
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    The dangers to Hillary are many, beyond the lack of any military defense even attempted at Bengazi issues and post-Bengazi blaming a Jew and a YouTube video.

    The unanswered question is how did the attackers possibly know that our Ambassador would not be at the embassy and instead at the lesser consulate building over a deal to provide missiles/weapons?

    Had Hillary exposed this incredibly confidential secret information in unsecured emails? The Committee wants those emails badly. If Hillary had sent or received emails of that information, in then becomes a fact that Hillary Clinton may have been who made the attack possible and essentially she caused it to happen.

    If there are any email communications discussing the Ambassador to be at the Consulate at that time it would be a true travesty of justice of Clinton was not prosecuted for illegally handling and divulging the highest possibly security secrets exposing the Consulate, our Ambassador and our people to attack and murder.
     
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    What was dishonest about it? Even the article mentions how honest he is being with his comments.

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    How was it a political exercise? Just because they exposed the truth about what actually happened and the scumbag Hillary got found out doesn't mean it was a witch hunt nor dishonest.
     

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