Measurements Show Planets Axis Wobbling = Climate Change

Discussion in 'Science' started by ChristopherABrown, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Sorry, but cognitive distortions of labeling and minimizing simply add up to nothing. They are also very over-generalized.

    I've made no attempt to explain planetary movement, others linked in this thread do. I only document the movement outside of historical norms. See the Caltech site for explanation. Try again for more accuracy and add some links with quotes of my "nonsense" to be competent.

    And, you've made no effort to explain how greenhouse gasses explain vulcanism and the fissures around the globe. Try and support your assertions.
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2018
  2. Mamasaid

    Mamasaid Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    3,754
    Likes Received:
    1,218
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No you didn't. Your measurements are false and baseless.
     
    roorooroo and Bowerbird like this.
  3. Mamasaid

    Mamasaid Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2018
    Messages:
    3,754
    Likes Received:
    1,218
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nor would I, nor would anyone else, because it is an absurd request. Maybe you should explain it yourself, since it is so important to you.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  4. iamanonman

    iamanonman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    4,826
    Likes Received:
    1,576
    Trophy Points:
    113
    GHGs do not explain volcanism. Orbital mechanics and specifically the precession of the axial tilt explains the 11 degree declination that you observed.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  5. mamooth

    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    6,419
    Likes Received:
    2,184
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    ---

    No, that's nonsense. The coastline shown on the Piri Reis map does not look like the coastline of Antarctica. It looks like Piri Reis just drew in an imaginary coastline with a few squiggles inserted.

    What's more likely, option A or B?

    A. A mystery expedition that history never knew about secretly mapped Antarctica before it magically moved a thousand miles south and detached from South America,

    or

    B. Piri Reis just made up parts of the map.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2018
    Bowerbird and Mamasaid like this.
  6. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    You are unaccountable and unreasonable. I'm done with you.
     
  7. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Did you see the link and quote I posted?

     
  8. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Okay, it is pretty clear they both got creative and both sourced much earlier maps. The thread is about the wobble of the earths axis, which is a very serious thing, not recognized, which could create huge problems for us depending on what the wobble does.
     
  9. iamanonman

    iamanonman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    4,826
    Likes Received:
    1,576
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes. Note that I'm not saying the axial tilt is changing. I'm saying that your perception of it is changing because you aren't normalizing your measurements to Earth's orbital position around the Sun. What I think you're measuring is the precession.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  10. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    I quoted jay runner because he really has a good grasp of this. Hopefully he will see this and correct me if I'm wrong.

    What he posts is correct, but he had posted before stating that in winter it was 23.5 on direction, then in summer 23.5 the other direction. How ever it always looks the same to us because our position is reversing.

    But with the same logic, that he also stated, at the equinoxes, the angle would 1/2, so that is the precession.

    However, I was measuring 13 degrees on July 17, at the same time volcanos were going off. And the rate of change was way too fast and is was barely a month past solstice.

    Today I measured 26 degrees 20 minutes.
     
  11. reallybigjohnson

    reallybigjohnson Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2012
    Messages:
    8,849
    Likes Received:
    1,415
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thank you everyone. Thank you nerds for creating what is ultimately the finest "ASMR, go to sleep cause its so ****ing boring thread" I have ever seen outside of math discussions. My cheese I feel like shopping for pocket protectors.
     
    iamanonman likes this.
  12. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I can use a sextant and all kinds of precision measuring instruments with Vernier scales. I've set and leveled radar antenna's and ROS's to the bench plate on Navy ships. But I haven't taken a series of celestial measurements like you are doing. So I have a pretty limited understanding, just a bit from textbooks, nothing empirical.

    Because you are physically getting your hands and eyes on this through a whole cycle of it you will come out of this with a splendid understanding.
     
    ChristopherABrown likes this.
  13. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Well it could get far more exciting than you would ever want if the ringwoodite gets blown through the surface and into the sky as some vary far back history indicates happened, because the account describes hot water falling from the sky.


    We actually do not know the future. But that account from the distant past is not alone in much of what it says.

    The fact that I measured a 3 degrees greater from the zenith than is ever supposed to be present, is ominous. A wobble that exceeds norms in both directions is like a positive feedback loop. That is what takes the top out of its spin. We shall have to see what the other end of the cycle is this time around, and when.

    These diagrams are a little deceptive in their efforts to depict precession.
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    The cone shape off the top of the earth does not happen. If it did we would have no seasons. Although if the wobble exists with those parameters, we will, but they will be much shorter according to measurements. Because they will have nothing to do with the rotation of the earth around the sun. They are another motion, curiously depicted but not present except for the in measurements I am taking

    The angle of the earths declination normally remains the same as it travels around the sun. In the image, viewed perpendicular from the side, so the declination would be seen, at the solstices. The equinox viewed from above or below would be a line basically parallel to the arc of the orbit for that segment. Viewed from the direction of the soltices, the equinox would be a line perpindicular to the solar ecliptic plane coming off the orbital path. The direction of the lean or declination would be in opposite directions during opposing equinoxes.

    Clearly, if indeed this is happening, and all evidence indicates it is, our government is hiding it. Prevention of panic is not a good enough excuse. Instead of informing us and preparing to assist us in our greater safety and welfare, it is working on attacking old enemies on the other side of the world.

    If the public knew, they would be demanding all war stop and the government focus on preparations. The government obviously does not want to do that so has controlled science, compartmentalized it, terrorized or coerced scientists in a way that prevents them from knowing or informing the people of this threat to us.

    https://www.collective-evolution.co...-did-it-actually-happen-like-we-think-it-did/
     
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2018
  14. reallybigjohnson

    reallybigjohnson Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2012
    Messages:
    8,849
    Likes Received:
    1,415
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
     
  15. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    What you have written is quite accurate, but the chronology is left out. My assertion is correct and measurements are plenty accurate to show it. The chronology and extent of the declination are radically off.

    [​IMG]

    Today, 9/6/18, a solar angle of 29 degrees was measured.
     
  16. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    The declination was measured on 9/12/18 to be 30 degrees 50 minutes.

    These numbers are completely off the chart. This is from NOAA

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2018
  17. iamanonman

    iamanonman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    4,826
    Likes Received:
    1,576
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Can you describe one more time what you're measuring here? Is this the elevation angle of the Sun from the horizon or straight up? In other words is the horizon 0 degrees or 90 degrees? Or are you measuring something else?
     
    roorooroo and Bowerbird like this.
  18. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Wasted server space and misunderstood planetary dynamics are no reason for chicken little to look up.
     
    roorooroo, Bowerbird and Cosmo like this.
  19. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Measuring from the zenith, straight up.
     
  20. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Hmm, that is the kind of baseless attitude that causes species extinction. Congratulations, a new kind of Darwin award!

    jay runner gets the degree of change close to what I'm measuring, but the schedule is not right. I've found this which shows the angular change over time. The diagram is called an "analemma".

    [​IMG]

    The angle from the zenith yesterday was 33 degrees 20 minutes. This is the kind of discrepency that we are confronted with. If we support species survival, LOL.
     
  21. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,292
    Likes Received:
    7,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Dear @ChristopherABrown

    Concisely. Please.

    Are we going to FREEZE? Experience a cool down that dramatically cripples food production?

    Or are we going to experience further Warm Up due to the Wobble Effect?

    Please :pray: share with us.


    Moi :oldman:
    We're all gonna die horrible, slow, anguishingly regardless of up or down. :(




    chickem little.jpg
     
  22. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    The best speculation is that the northern hemisphere is going to continue to heat up, while the southern will cool. And the NASA pages I posted in the early part of the thread show that. But weather patterns all over will be radically disturbed the further it gets out of the historical pattern.

    I measured 34 degrees 20 minutes yesterday, 9/20/18, and it is supposed to be near 0 degrees according to the analemma, but I am 34 degrees lattitude above the equator so it is not that far off right now after compensating for that. The wobble seems to be elongated at the other side of the cycle judging by measurements in July. The analemma is not symetrical showing that more radical direction changes of the axis occur through the summer months.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2018
  23. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,292
    Likes Received:
    7,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And that is the conclusion of your wobble studies or someone else?
     
  24. ChristopherABrown

    ChristopherABrown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2014
    Messages:
    5,149
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    That is my conclusion or an effort to explain the past 6 months of climate change. A repeat of it should happen next year. These measurements will provide the basis for determining if it is getting worse or better.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2018
  25. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    22,147
    Likes Received:
    5,897
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Do you have a reference that agrees with you ?

    https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6332

    Here is at least one article that says the converse might be true. The loss of mass at the polar ice cap due to ice melt may be causing the change in the wobble which was always there to begin with.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2018

Share This Page