That’s like asking the question, “do you still beat your wife” and saying it’s just a yes or no answer
um, no. Thats an accusatory question that illicits a guilty response whether in the negative or affirmative. Essentially its a trap. I didn't accuse anyone of anything and theres no presumed guilt in either response to my question- not a trap. Its a very simple, straightforward question. As it pertains to perceived respect/disrespect and aggressive response: do women want to be treated by men in the same way that men treat eachother, or do they want to be treated in a different way?
At one of the places that I worked where there were thousands of employees they had double sets of doors because of the weather. It was commonplace for those entering the cafeteria area to always hold the doors for those who were leaving because they were more likely to be carrying food and/or coffee. There was no distinction between male and female or age for that matter. It was just common courtesy and common sense. Let me ask my spouse if I can go out with you!
Your previous question was asking if it was OK to break the law. Now you have completely revised the question. Yes, women do want to be treated in the same CIVILIZED manner as everyone else.
Its the same question, worded differently. Men often dont treat eachother in a civil manner. Wishing to be treated as a man is to wish to be treated sometimes uncivilly.
...It isn’t a simple yes or no question. There are some ways I want to be treated by men in the same way they treat each other and there are some ways I don’t want to be treated the way they treat each other. You act as though men and women are a single monolith. And if you look at the question it isn’t even a yes or no it’s an either/ or
If she says yes, then I’m not interested...lol I always taught my students to hold the door for everyone. I also did not seat them by gender nor lined them up by gender.I wouldn’t do it by race so why by gender? But let me tell you, teaching sex education was quite a trip
I nominate this for the silliest logic. So you believe that men treat each other uncivilly? Only men? How do they differ from women? And women are all civil to each other? In my prejudice class I teach the difference between generalizing and overgeneralizing..this is overgeneralizing to the nth degree
I should correct- 'Men often dont treat eachother in a civil manner. Wishing to be treated as a man is to wish to be treated sometimes uncivilly by men.' So far as I know, there isnt any substantial movement of men seeking to be treated as women by women, or women seeking to be treated more like women by women... Those are other debate to have somewhere else. The issue here is women who want to be treated as men. The fact is that men treat eachother more physically harshly than they treat women. The question is- do women want this treatment by men, or do they want to be treated different?
So, you dont want to be treated as a man. You just want to be treated differently. Thats fine. But it isn't 'equal.' By this standard, to acheive equality, not only do men have to treat you differently than they do now (a reasonable expectation), they also have to treat eachother differently (not a reasonable expectation).
Let me teach you something ...the word equal does not mean the same. 10 pennies equal one dime. But a dime and the pennies are not the same but they are an equal amount. I am so confused when you say I don’t want to be treated as a man. What the heck does that even mean? Does it mean I have to go to a urinal? I want the same opportunities that men have . Men don’t have to treat me differently nor do women have to treat you differently. Some men treat some men in a different manner than they treat other men etc. your question Is so simplistic and childlike. It is extremism. You act as though All men treat all man the same. How do you treat men differently in general than you do a woman? We are different and have different needs but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have equal opportunities
Your premise is so flawed that it borders on comedy. I never met a woman who wanted to be treated as a man because I don’t even know what that means. The problem is you can’t seem to see people as just people. I would love men to be more like women. In my class I had the kids tell me how their lives would be different if they were the opposite gender. Every year the boys say things like, I would be able to share my secrets, I would be able to cry etc. but has one boy pointed it out to be like a girl is weak. I think women are lucky. We can show our fears and we can show our strengths. Some women are treated differently than other women and some men are treated differently than other men. I wish you would stop overgeneralizing and talking only in extremes
Many men are concerned with many forms of discrimination against men. We are not asking women to help us, but we are very grateful to outstanding women who advocate for male victims of Domestic Violence and Discrimination. Hundreds of Mainstream Media Articles are telling men that they must fight women's battles. Here is another gem:
There are plenty of women and men who are advocates for victims of domestic violence both against men and women. That would be like me saying that there are no men who advocate for female victims of domestic violence which is probably 90% more. You seem to have an inferiority complex and believe that men are just poor little victims. Look around you and see who has all the power. Sorry I just cannot feel sorry for you but if you feel so put upon, organize the way women did. Males who are victims of domestic violence have a real issue and they should organize and expose it. Because women don’t jump on the bandwagon doesn’t mean they don’t care, it’s just not their cause.
We do its the gender without the penis, face it, for untold centuries women had the better deal men shared resources with women and offered the protection of men ,through their own efforts or by paying taxes to a government or ruler to fund it. And all men expected was companionship, making babies, tending the babies and children and domestic work with some helping in the family businesses. Your gender had the good deal.
Extremes are where the problems occur. I dont hit people and I treat men and women the same (so far as I can tell). Im not in the extreme, the problems with equality arent really mine. But I see men and women in conflict quite often as a result of the subjective nature of 'equality' as its pushed by feminism and women's rights. So what does equality mean to you? And please try to be specific and precise.
Gee if it’s so great why don’t men want to share their wives resources and they can stay at home and be companions and tend to the babies and children and do the domestic work, cleaning toilets is a blast . If it’s such a great deal why don’t men fight for that role? Actually I would love a wife. I would love to be the one to earn all the money and then come home and have somebody take care of my needs by cooking and cleaning. I would love the power that comes with money. It was so great when women couldn’t get their own credit card if they were married And of course if the man wants to leave, her entire standard of living drops. Don’t you just envy that? Maybe you should try and find yourself a rich woman because there are more and more of them these days and you can be a little homemaker too and have all the men envy you
