Michigan prosecutor dismisses over 1,600 of Gov. Whitmer's COVID violations ruled unconstitutional

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  1. rahl

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    this thread is about your fake outrage over a politician allegedly trouncing the constitution, so trump is very much relevant to this thread. Can you tell us if you are equally outraged at trump for trouncing the constitution?
     
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    I invite you to read the OP, carefully read the article in the hyperlink, and comment on the topic.

    Trying to bait and troll me serves no purpose
     
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    read it. commented on the topic. you are pretending to be upset over "constitutional trouncing". I asked if you are equally upset at trumps trouncing, and you can't answer, which every one reading knows why.

    cornering you and showing that you are pretending to be outraged by Michigan serves a purpose. It's hilarious to watch.
     
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    Ahhh, so as a Democrat voter, you are OK with what the MI governor did? Given that you refuse to discuss the topic of the thread, your partisanship is quite visible
     
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    I'm not a democrat, or a democrat voter. And no, I have no problem with what any state governor has implemented to try and contain this pandemic.
    I've repeatedly discussed the topic of this thread. Your fake outrage over "trouncing the constitution". Your partisanship and refusal to say if you also condemn trumps trouncing of the constitution is quite visible.
     
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    She simply relied on an existing state law that the state supreme court threw out after her reliance. Not really a party foul per se though I do think some of what they were doing in Michigan was insane overkill --like only allowing Lowes/Home Depot and company to sell certain items and not other items even while they were already open anyway.
     
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    The way it works, you can't always prosecute a public official for breaking the law.
    People who think that have an oversimplistic view. Especially in the case of a governor, the only remedy might be the legislature putting pressure on, or removing that official. Something that very often doesn't happen. A law doesn't really prevent something except through how it is enforced.
     
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    Looks like she may also be a killer.

    SHE’S NEXT: Reporter to Sue Gov. "Half" Whitmer Over Nursing Home Data.

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    Whitmer’s office refused comment.

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    "Dim" Whitmer Followed "Let's Play Strip Poker" Cuomo's Nursing Home Policy.​

    "Whitmer’s policy on sending COVID-19 patients to nursing homes was similar to that of New York Gov. Andrew" I want to see you eat that entire italian sausage "Cuomo, who is facing criticism for allegedly underreporting deaths in long-term care facilities and for a controversial directive that fanned the flames of the outbreak in nursing homes."
     
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    Without proving any links proving your statement is the definition of trolling and baiting.
     
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    It is what they all do.

    Trump took an oath of office to uphold the Constitution and then between Nov 5th and Jan 6th he went and trounced on it.

    But that was cool with you because he is on "your side".
     
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    nice try but I have no side

    Trump was the same person who was elected in 2016. He never changed so why it shocked anyone is beyond me

    He never once claimed to be more than who he is

    Now, the Democrat governor in this OP is the exact opposite and the Democrat media also portrays her as such; but she is not as advertised. Unless of course trouncing the Constitution is the Democrat platform; what say you?
     
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    The Macomb county, Michigan attorney Generals office is currently looking into filing charges against Big Gretch
    It appears at least one person who lost a loved one to covid while in one of her infected nursing homes has filed a complaint in Shelby Twp. Thus forcing him to look into this.
     
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    Every swinging Richard in the US Congress took that same oath, yet they had a formation urination on the US Constitution by way of Unpatriot Act, AUMF, Military Commissions Act and many other legislative acts repugnant to the document.

    How do you rationalize that Marine?
     
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    you don't seem to know the definition of either of those words.
     
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    Someone violating the Constitution, and someone facing criminal charges for that violation, are two different things.
    There is no law that says violating the Constitution is a criminal offense.
    It is a little complicated, and there are some good reasons why it is not classified as a criminal offense.
    The prosecutor is sort of right to say she doesn't have a legal basis to proceed with the cases, even if the governor's actions clearly violated the state Constitution.

    The real issue here is exactly how to hold public officials accountable for their decisions, and how the Constitution should be enforced.

    It becomes difficult, a little unfair, and a dangerous slippery slope to start punishing public officials for bad decisions, when they can make an argument - no matter how bad or weak - that their decision was the right one or legal.

    The law, and especially even more so the Constitution, is not exactly the most clear & precise on every detail, nor can it really be expected to be.
     
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    by voting for people that did not do those things
     
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    Consider how many in the Senate voted against the Unpatriot Act----1 man, a democrat.

    In the House, about 5 voted against it.

    Who ya gonna vote for sir?
     
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    I always look for the ones without an (R) or a (D) by their name and give those people my support.
     
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    The many legislative assaults against the US Constitution over the years have ALL been bipartisan efforts. The duopoly is a hoax.
     
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    You are correct on the first part, but seem to be confused by the second part. The duopoly is alive and well.

    or to put it a different way...

    In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies.... Noam Chomsky.

    I do not agree with Chomsky on much, but on this one he is 100% spot on
     
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    I'm not confused, and we're in agreement. I know too damn well the duopoly is alive and well.
     
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    Sorry, I misunderstood you when you said that the duopoly was hoax.

    My apologies.
     
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    It is a hoax in that it is presented to the public as the only and best way to run government. It is a hoax in that it is presented as having meaningful differences between parties.

    As you've noted, in reality both parties represent the very same interests and governing style and political philosophy.
     
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    No, indeed we shouldn't. But it appears that wrapping themselves up in the Constitution and thinking only of themselves and their happiness and 'freedom' is more important than the entire country moving through and out of a health crisis that has killed hundreds of thousands. The pandemic has not been 'normal circumstances' - so it was treated by lawmakers as 'extraordinary circumstances'. The horror!
     
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    The numbers of cases and deaths have been manipulated from the start, and the evidence of that is ample.

    The Coronavirus is as morbid as the flu virus, and the data reflects that.

    Masks do not stop the airborne transmission of virus, and lab tests have shown that since 1946.

    Lockdowns have done nothing but hurt people, and the facts and evidence strongly support that.

    Governors like the one in Michigan and California have usurped power not theirs, and harmed the people.
     

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