Military Contractor Accusing Ukrainian Military Of War Crimes Deserves Jail!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

    JimfromPennsylvania Active Member Past Donor

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    This former U.S. colonel, Andrew Milburn, who heads a military contracting company that offers training and a small amount of battlefield assistance to foreign countries should permanently retire from this business and this field of work. His company, The Mozart Group, did work for the Ukrainian government over the last year and he said in an interview part of which was posted on Twitter in the last forty-eight hours that Ukrainian soldiers committed atrocities. At first his details for this allegation were that Ukrainian soldiers filmed Russian POWs, not an atrocity not even something worthy of public mention then Mr. Milburn moved to comments which said that Ukrainian soldiers shot Russian soldiers surrendering, if you witnessed that you should be giving sworn testimony to authorities that can prosecute the perpetrators. My suspicion is that Mr. Milburn made up these facts so he could appear to be especially knowledgeable about Ukraine. Mr. Milburne has critical accounting to do here if he witnessed this murder of Russian soldiers he should step forward and cooperate with the appropriate prosecutors and if he didn't he should publicly announce his wrongdoing and his permanent retirement from this industry! Andrew Milburn has done massive national security harm here with his false and reckless comments, Putin poses a growing and imminent threat of a Nato war and Ukraine is now trying to eliminate this threat for the Free World by beating the Russian Army in Ukraine and thereby making a Nato security wall in Ukraine. If Andrew lied here and doesn't permanently retire, the Ukrainian government should sue him for defamation and otherwise bring about the permanent shuttering of his business. Let this be a lesson to these types of contractors don't give such interviews when you-re drinking a lot of bourbon and don't make allegation about criminal wrongdoing of a foreign government's military unless you are prepared to prove it even allegations that a foreign government is corrupt unless you know what you are talking about are prepared to lay out credible evidence and especially especially don't admit a war is a "just" war when that is one hundred percent wrong this Russian invasion of Ukraine is exactly the type of unlawful military aggression that international law is principally focused on stopping!
     
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    Hey Now Well-Known Member

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    One of the sad and constant truths of ALL war is that pillaging and plundering is par for the course. Given that, however, if said Colonel saw what he claims he did, he is required to provide those details to the proper authorities.
     
  3. The Scotsman

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    At the start of the conflict he and others trained Ukrainians in very basic weapons handling and equipment skills in order to give them a fighting chance of being able to integrate into fighting units....
    he is very knowledgeable about Ukraine
    it wasn't bourbon it was laphroaig

    You need to watch the full 2 hour 15 minute interview from which you post is whittled out of.....
     
  4. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    If I understand the OP correctly, he's not upset that the Ukrainian military may have committed war crimes, but that he's running around telling people that? I'm not sure what he's mad about.
     
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    There's a guy Andrew Milburn he's a retired US Marines Col. (Brit strangly enough!) joined as a grunt and worked his way through the ranks to command special forces in Afghanistan/Somalia and other really crappy places. He retired and after a number of years as a contractor was in Ukraine doing all sorts of stuff. Him and some other Brits at the start of the conflict were contracted to provide very basic weapons handling/training to all the volunteers so they could go into regular units and not be a danger to others...he started a company called Mozart....guess why...!!

    Mozart works with the Uke military very closely and they hear things...soldiers talk....there was an interview in which he mentions this and the OP has taken that and spun it out of the universe....do you have 2 hours 15 minutes to spare? If so go over to the ticker thread and you'll see I've posted it a couple of days ago...
     
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    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Frankly it doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I mean, the Ukrainian army was birthed from the Soviet one, and that's been Red Army MO since the beginning. I'm sure the Ukrainians, just like the Russians (and probably like most Armies to a greater or lessor extent) have committed a few war crimes. It's not great but it IS a war.

    I'm just confused by the OP's angle.
     
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