Minn. woman has taken Hydroxychloroquine 19 Yrs.STILL GOT COVID -!9.

Well Mr. Know-it-all, please point out to me where I have nominated Joe Biden.

 

The pseudo-scientific defense by the hydroxy hoaxers heartbreakingly is going to injure many, many Americans.

 

It also proves that off-label prescriptions are not new and that the drug is safe enough for someone to take for a very extended period of time.

 

I once had an ear infection.
Doctor tried a few drugs. They didn’t work. Then she took the sample directly from my ear (felt like someone stuck a needle into it).
Then she prescribed anti-fungal medication.
The pharmacist wouldn’t release the drug before talking to me. His first sentence was - don’t freak out that it says the medicine is for feet - you need to use drops to drop that liquid into your ears.
Medicine worked and the pain went away in a few days.
1. Off-label prescriptions are pretty common.
2. The doctor who treats a patient should decide which drugs the patient can or cannot try. Journalists at CNN aren’t doctors and don’t know the circumstances of each and every patient in this country.
3. Liberals should stop demonizing this drug.

 

"An international poll of thousands of doctors rated the Trump-touted anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine the best treatment for the novel coronavirus."

"Of the 2,171 physicians surveyed, 37 percent rated hydroxychloroquine the “most effective therapy” for combating the potentially deadly illness, according to the results released Thursday."

"The survey, conducted by the global health care polling company Sermo, also found that 23 percent of medical professionals had prescribed the drug in the US — far less than other countries."
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/

 

So a vast minority of docs think it is OK.

No.

 

But a large number of them do and have used it. More in other countries than in the US.

 

Not wise at all.

 

So. We have another doctor in our midst. Where did you go to school?

 

Of the 2,171 doctors asked which drug is most effective, 37 percent said hydroxychloroquine. By contrast, 32 percent answered “nothing.”

37% is the same as 32% within the margins of error and the recent Lancet report showed that the adverse risks of hydroxychloroquine was high

 

All prescriptions have adverse side effects. The level of adverse side effects depends on the concentration. It is a doctors decision whether the benefits outweigh the dangers.

 

Yes but those that were given the drug could get adverse side effects which are not present in those not given the drug. 32% did not get any adverse effects and 37% is the same as 32% within the margins of error (+/-6%)

 

I take a total of eight prescriptions. Each and every one of them has side effects. A couple with side effects more severe than the drug.

It makes no difference whether the same number of doctors use the drug as do not use the drug. It is not a contest. A large number of doctors prescribe the drug.

The issue is not so much of whether it is safe. Used as directed under a doctors care, it is as safe as most other prescriptions. The issue is whether it is effective. It comes down to "why not". And the president's doctor sees no significant risk with possible benefits.

 

This is completely irrelevant to what I posted. The point is that statistically, just as many doctors (26%-38%) said that the drug made no difference to the outcome. BUT giving the drug can have adverse side affects. Hence there is no evidence that the drug does anything to help the patient but giving the drug can give adverse side effects

 

Statistically, it is likely that more doctors favor giving the drug than do not favor giving the drug.

The margin of error is arbitrary. It only means that the odds are 95% that the error will be 5% or less. If they used a number larger than 95% for the odds, the margin of error would have been greater. If they used a number smaller than 95%, the margin of error would have been less. Don't get hung up on the margin of error. The odds are still that more doctors favor using the drug than do not favor using the drug.

 

Why do you care? Stop getting between doctor and a patient!

 

The "margin of error" is calculated from the number of data points - it is not a made up number ie it is not "arbitrary".

No one is questioning the fact that more doctors are using it - that is what happens when a particular drug gets more publicity. The statistics from the link you provided state that doctors are saying that the drug made no difference to the outcome of patients with the virus

 

The fact that they use a 95% probability is arbitrary. They could have used any probability. They just happened to pick 95%. .

Go to a margin of probability calculator. It generally allows you to pick the probability. Notice on this one, they used ".8" or 80% as a starting point..
https://ncalculators.com/statistics/margin-of-error-calculator.htm

 

Still not an arbitrary number. The level of confidence gives rise to margins of error. A 95% confidence level means that you can be 95% certain that your variable lies within a particular range. In your link the margin of error was +/-6, hence any quoted variable can be up to 6 too low or 6 too high, based on a 95% confidence.

 

There is nothing magic about 95%. They could have chose any level of confidence they wanted. That makes it arbitrary. And the choice of that number directly affects the margin of error. Just because the two groups were 5% apart does not mean they are equal.

It is still more likely that more doctors favored it than did not favor it because that is the center point of the sample.

 

If statistics are going to be quoted you can't then say you are going to ignore the statistics because you don't like the result

 

I am not ignoring them. It is not a matter of whether I like or dislike the results. They are what they are. You are treating the margin of error like it a hard a fast thing which makes the sample a fifty fifty split. It is not. It is more likely that more doctors favored the drug than did not favor it. There is a much less likely chance that the survey got it completely backwards. Such is the nature of polls.

 

Lets look at it a different way. There is a 95% chance that more doctors favored the drug than those who did not favor the drug.

 

double post

 

Well, actually from your link, 63 percent rated hydroxychloroquine as not the “most effective therapy”. But let's leave it there