Minnesota police shoot, kill man after traffic stop incident

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  1. mentor59

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    what's an mma school?
     
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

    White people shot by police officers don't start riots because white people value other people's property more than apparently black people and leftist liberals of all colors. The fact is, it's not a story covered by the media of which mostly are left wing media outlets. The fact is, white people are stopped by police for traffic violations and are sometimes shot when they resist and threaten officers with guns and knives. The sad thing about your post is you seem to think rioters (BLM and Antifa) are justified destroying property and stealing from businesses. Now, that is just another mental sickness gripping our country.
     
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    The stupid governor of MN also said stupid things fueling the fire. These democrat politicians need to be held liable for doing this as well. If I were those business owners I'd sue the governor and anyone else that is helping the criminals that are destroying those businesses. I'd also sue BLM and Antifa as well.
     
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    We can talk about officers responsibility to keep citizens safe....but we can also talk about citizens responsibility to make officers feel safe. Guess I've always been pretty serious about that last part.
     
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    Mothra monster academy.
     
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    mixed martial arts.
     
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    Makes sense, I'd be curious to see the training schedule that they use and how much repetition they have with these weapons. Drawing, holstering, stress firing, up down drills, under pressure etc. That muscle memory is key. Even if thats how they carry them establishing that muscle memory is key to mitigating mistakes like this.
     
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    She was a really nice lady, but like a lot of female officers she was a bit mouthy. We were pretty glad that’s ALL the guy did to her.
     
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    Evidently, this broad had two weak sides and a weak brain too.
     
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    Charges when, I just told them I don't want to be arrested, see you later and they wave goodbye.

    "Court records show Wright was being sought after failing to appear in court on charges that he fled from officers and possessed a gun without a permit during an encounter with Minneapolis police in June. In that case, a statement of probable cause said police got a call about a man waving a gun who was later identified as Wright.”"
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/minnesota-police-shoot-kill-man-traffic-stop-incident-77013203

    Felonies. And know all that gun violence and we need to control guns and make sure they are registered and we should enforce those laws?
     
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    So why do they regularly do it? Where in their society and community does it come to be that it's OK to go steal from other people when you have a chance to do so and are mad about something? And what do we do about it?
     
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    I think the obvious answer to why black people might react differently, one might say distrustingly, is because of , specifically, incidents like this. If I were black, & was pulled over for a minor traffic violation, I can imagine being a bit more nervous than I would, as a white person. If the police immediately asked me to get out of my vehicle, & then started to handcuff me, I can see these things contributing to my general alarm. I can't accept your chicken & the egg argument that, if blacks didn't act differently, we police wouldn't need to shoot them, or choke them to death, or otherwise kill them, so much.

    I TOTALLY AGREE, though, that people who aren't physically, mentally, or psychologically able to handle the job, should not be graduated & allowed onto the police force, for any reason. This had been my point, that the Academy shares in culpability, for graduating someone who could be holding a firearm, for a number of seconds (if one watches the body cam footage) while never realizing that it is not a taser (unless those things are designed & weighted in such a way that they're nearly identical, which should have been seen, by whoever was in charge of acquiring equipment, as too problemmatic to chance). It is like faulting a high school that awards a diploma to someone who is illiterate. There is no excuse for this, in a diversity hire; but in similarly-ending over-reactions, or misuse of force, including deadly force, the offending officer has, more often than not, been white, & male. In other words, in your rationalization of where the problem lies, you seem to display some of the bias that, at least as much as incompetence, is at the root of the problem: bigotry. Are you really suggesting that black cadets at the Police Academy are less qualified, & less competent, than white cadets?
     
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    I agree 100% which is why I am always as polite and courteous as possible to police officers during any interaction I ever have with them. Partially because I've found that people in general tend to respond much better to respectfulness and kindness and they're less likely to give me a ticket if I'm not acting like an *******. And partially because I am fully aware of the thankless job they have and the amount of crap they have to put up with and the tense situations they often find themselves in. I've only ever gotten one ticket in my entire life and I shook the cops hand afterward. I wasn't mad at him, it's his job and I was wrong. I wasn't expecting to get out of anything at that point, he'd already given me a ticket, but how often does somebody actually shake the cops hand and say thank you after getting busted? "Thanks for being out here" is what I meant. He really appreciated that, and I could tell he did, and my thanks to him was genuine.

    Their job is thankless and it seems like it absolutely sucks. You couldn't pay me enough to do it.
     
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    I was pulled over once when my car was the same type as a bank robbery getaway car. I was on my way to work. Several cops ran up on my car with guns drawn.

    First thing I said was, "What can I do to make you less nervous?".
     
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    Here’s what I dont get, this has nothing to do with being black and everything to do with how you react. He knew he had a felony warrant. If he’d have just done what they asked, he’d be fine. But he chose to be an a****** about the whole thing. They act differently, and they escalate encounters.
    That said I agree that too many idiots graduate the academy. Why? Because they sue if they don’t get a pass. The worst part is they end up a burden to the training officers who have to ghost phase them. Am I suggesting that some blacks are less competent? I certainly am, there is a remedial math class at the Houston police academy comprised of... blacks. This doesn’t mean they’re all incompetent, I worked with plenty of black guys who were no different than anyone else.

    The issue is the forced hiring of unqualified cadets. Like this lady.
     
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    In watching the video evidence the officer had the correct weapon drawn even though she thought she'd got a taser in her hand .

    An easy mistake drawing the gun instead of the taser while eyes and concentration are on the perps hands .

    The action was justifiable homicide has her life and other officers life was in possible danger .

    The perp should not have jumped in the car where a gun may of been concealed , his actions resulted in the officer pulling the trigger .
     
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    If it's like most places, the answer to "how much training?" is probably "very little".
     
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    Here's where need clarification, to keep our conversation from splitting into two different monologues. From what I have heard, the warrant was not for a felony charge, but I only heard that from one guest on a program discussing the incident. So I wouldn't swear to the accuracy of that statement. What is your source for saying it was a felony warrant?
     
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    ******* that kick, scratch, bite and fight like girls. Boxing is the MANLY ART OF SELF DEFENSE...Nothing more boring than seeing two men rolling around on a matt trying to get the other guy in a headlock...
     
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    That's kind of what I'm wondering and I'm sure you're probably right. There is a pretty big misconception among the general public that folks such as police officers or the military are "highly trained with firearms and/or in stressful situations like this". Or at least "better" trained than most people.

    And one thing that would certainly not improve their training is cutting their funding....
     
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    Here's the thing: the guy supposedly had outstanding warrants for arrests from another state. So he runs from the cops. Bad mistake. That gives the cops just cause to pull their service weapons and initiate an arrest.

    Now, this cop who warns, "I'm going to taze you!" and then shoots the guy may have well made a fatal error. A review is indeed warranted.

    Bottom line: there are folk just itching to go ballistic due to the Floyd/Chauvin trial....and any BLM protest/demonstration that results in riots will just rehash the SOS from the right and left.

    And the band played on.
     
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    You are exactly correct. I go out of my way to make officers comfortable and safe during a routine or speeding stop. Do black families in these large metro areas train their kids to do that? I certainly doubt it. In fact, a great many single parents, or mentors teach their children that cops are the enemy AND we see the results!
     
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    And I bet a good many boxers would cry like a girl when taken to the matt by someone skilled in the art of ju jitsu where they either get their arm busted or submit! You don't box well with a busted arm or busted knee cap. You enjoy the "manly art of boxing" but when it comes to a real fight.....you lose.

    MMA guys know how to box.....but usually they just use it as a set up for the kill!
     
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    As a black man who spent part of my childhood growing up in one of these places I can tell you the answer is unfortunately no....

    I was a lucky one, my parents had enough sense to raise me with some sense, but for the majority of my friends growing up around me in the inner city ghetto? Good luck.

    When I said you couldn't pay me enough to be a cop that goes double for being a cop where I grew up in that inner city hellhole. The Baltimore Police Department could pay me an annual salary of $5 million and I wouldn't be a cop there dealing with those people and I'm not joking. And that has nothing to do with the race of the people living there it has everything to do with the horrific culture they are raised in.
     
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