Missiles Launched From Iran Hit ISIS Terrorist Bases in Syria

Whether Iran is or isn't a great place to live, there are plenty of people who visit Iran and the most common (in fact, the almost universal reaction) you hear from them is that Iran isn't anything like it is portrayed in the West. And that was my original point. You tried to highlight a couple of special cases and suggest no one would want to travel to Iran and I responded by letting you know that despite the huge efforts to deter such travel, Iran does get its share of visitors. People who are generally shocked by the difference in perception and reality.
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The head scarf is mandatory. While I am not a fan of the requirement, each culture has its own rules on these kinds of issues. In the US, women are also required to cover certain parts of their body in public.

 

As you suggest, various cultures have their own rules on proper attire. The idea that other cultures must follow whatever becomes the norm elsewhere is a form of imperialism. As long as the rules on the issue actually reflect prevailing societal and cultural standards and sensitivities, I have no problems with the issue. I always like to remember the admonition: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." The problem arises when a society is being forced to adopt someone else's standards. In Iran, there is a bit of that since the standards don't comport perfectly with today's prevailing societal and cultural norms and that is the part that I find problematic.

What I like about Iran having its own rules and not merely following the rules elsewhere, and how those rules are evolving here, is that it is spurring the growth of a fashion that isn't simply following what is unveiled in Rome, Paris, London or New York. And that is good.

 

Leaving aside whether the threat he made is credible, his comment showed how disingenuous he was in an earlier exchange he had with me a couple months ago on Israel's nuclear arsenal. In that exchange, I reminded him that nuclear weapons - the ultimate weapon of mass destruction - are inherently meant to terrorize and most of those weapons are meant to intentionally target and destroy civilian life. That anyone who develops such weapons is inherently engaging in terrorism by signalling that they would be willing to intentionally target civilians, with the difference between various states on this issue being the conditions under which they would be willing to do so. In his response, he tried to suggest Israel wouldn't use or threaten nuclear weapons against its adversaries. But the truth is that without their "nuclear card", and with a country like Iran being able to deter any such nuclear attack if it was able to develop such nukes or have the capacity to do so (which is the real reason for the intense efforts to derail Iran's nuclear program, not the entirely preposterous idea that Iran would ever initiate using those weapons against foes whose nuclear arsenal would guarantee Iran's destruction), Israel would suddenly find itself in conditions where it would have to start acting a lot more responsibly than it does now.

 

What has that got to do with Iran?

It was once frustrating to try and have a reasonable conversation with Muslims but now I find them amusing. This amateurish way you respond to a straightforward question is likely the only way you can respond. Islam is such a waste of human life, thwarting normal curiosity and betraying the instinctive human search for honest inquiry, all the answers given to you and strongly discouraging any original thought.

Do you feel strongly, like the clothes police in Iran, about what women must wear on their heads?

 

It has to do with the fact that you want to use restrictions on people's freedoms everywhere to act as they wish, and just because those restrictions on clothes aren't the same culturally as the ones in the US, try to imply things that aren't all that telling.

But here is the fundamental point and issue I have with your posts and those of many other people here, which seem to imagine that the this forum is any place to peddle propaganda and advance politicized agendas. How many people even read these threads? Among them, how many (if any) are going to change their perception and political attitudes based on what is being posted here? Why not instead use this excellent opportunity and this medium to expand your horizons and learn about different people and cultures and political attitudes? It is much cheaper and less of a hassle than traveling, although not as rewarding, but if you aren't the type to travel much, use the opportunity.

In the meantime, going to your earlier comment about "life in Iran", and how it is "living in Iran", it depend obviously on who you ask? But this video, by an English visitor, does a good job (besides one error at the very end) of showing you Iran outside the hustle and bustle of its capital, focusing on life in Iran in and around the towns, cities and villages in northern Iran (Gilan and Mazanderan in particular). The video, unlike those which focus on Iran's historic sites and the places that attract foreign tourists, takes a look at the kind of scenes and places that many Iranians in the north of the country (where most of Iran's population live) are familiar with and which reflects every day lives of every day people.

 

lol, how can you "ban" someone fron entering a bomb shelter ?? they simply dont have them in their villages, maybe a few did build soem I dont know, its up to them.

One more time, if they rain rockets on us - we will shoot just one at them.

 

You not very bright, are you? You cannot see how much of a hypocrite you are. Women, say in France or Spain regularly sunbathe topless and will walk along the beach streets topless. Can they do that in the US? If not, why not? Try and answer that question for a change - it would be fun watching you squirm. Now to make it simple for you, swap headscarves for bikini tops with the same situation but involving the US and Iran, not US and France.

 

I see, answer this while your mask is on please, what does shower Israel with thousands of rockets from Iran and Lebanon mean to civilian life in Israel ? the poster I replied to made the threat, you yourself said that confrontation with Israel is unavoidable just by existing (you condemn Zionism), you spread all these threats here and then posts pictures of Iranians drinking coffie so you must be civilized right ? lol. its what you say and do that matters.

Israel wouldnt use Nukes on a regular war but if all the Muslims will shoot at it together that would be a none conventual war and to that we would use our none conventual weapons, do you understand the basic pysics of attacking and being attacked in return ? no......well, call it "the world is run by Jews" then. g'day.

 

So your bright mind now compares women rights of US-Iran to US-EU ? as the women in the US are as confined as those in Iran compared to Europe ? what kind of stupid dishonest argument is that ? who are you fooling ???

 

What are you going on about! The topic is about mandatory wearing of headscarves in Iran and the comparison of the mandatory wearing of tops in the US. Perhaps you can point what business you have in supporting the argument that women in Iran should not be forced to wear headscarves? You will have as much right in doing that as I would have in saying that women should be allowed to go topless in the US. Condemn the US law then you would have a point but notice that Fred C Dobbs did not attack that law hence him being a hypocrite (and subsequently so are you)

 

I've read pleanty of his posts and I know what Fred stands for, he may gave the Burka's as an example but the issue is human rights, women rights to be precise, your's is a dishonest reply.

 

Actually the topic is about Iran firing missiles on ISIS targets.

 

And with the almost endemic obesity levels in the US, all I can say is 'Thank god for that!'

 

And having lots of Persian Jewish women in Israel....at Summer time........a shame they must cover up in Iran. such a waste.....

 

In many places, yes. You should familiarize yourself with the subject before you comment. Meanwhile here's what's happening in France as a result of Muslim "Imperialism". http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...kini-ban-blamed-Muslim-mem-trying-claim-beach

Your goofy segues are only intended as a diversion from the questions I already asked you. What would happen to a woman if she exposed her breasts anywhere in Iran? Would the police giver her a ticket and a small fine or would the brave men carry out further punishment on this woman? Are you forced to cover your hair as well or are you one of those Muslim men who attack in mobs, always persons weaker than yourself, in order to enforce the teachings of the child molester so many Muslim men apparently admire?

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Women can be so beautiful and covering them the way the Iranians, and other Muslim dominated countries do, is like covering a beautiful flower, a painting, a sculpture, or any beautiful work of art or nature.

Unfortunately many men are raised in backward societies where a woman's body is a source of evil to them, that their lust will overwhelm whatever control they may have if they dare see a woman's breast, or even her hair.

What kind of people are these who would condemn women to live in darkness because they haven't learned how to control their own bestial desires and therefore must make the victim, often at the pain of death, cover herself in order not to arouse the more primitive instincts in these man/boy minds?

I doubt one Muslims ever thought for a moment of that old adage "Live and let Live". Instead it's uniformity or death.

 

Of course he's not fooling anyone, as you quickly saw.

Those like him debate their feelings, their emotions, making a solid argument based on facts pretty difficult for them. It's always,'Oh yeah, what about in the United States....?' and they'll pick up some obscure thing to try and downplay their illogical position and divert attention elsewhere..It's the old "Oh Look, a Squirrel!!" dodge

 

The comparison is way off the mark.

Western democracies allow dissent, public debate regarding morality, individual freedoms, the right to choose another culture than the one a person was born into, the right to disagree with established norms and laws, the right to demand that established norms and laws be changed. Feminists and animal rights activists are frequently demonstrating topless or all-less.

An enlightened society is not about allowing everything to everybody. It's about allowing as much individual freedoms as possible without infringing on other individuals' rights. A delicate balance between socially acceptable and individual will.

The goal of a regime that severely curtails individual freedoms is not preservation of a certain culture, only preservation of its own grip on the country. Dictatorships abhor changes because they feel threatened by changes. Subordination of individual will to the will of the regime is sine qua non for the survival of a dictatorship.

 

Israel's channel 2 reports that only 1 of 7 missiles fired by Iran hit their target in Syria, with 3 missiles falling in Iraq.
https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/876971452339167232

 

Well said!

 

The Burka is mandatory in Iran? Try and get some facts correct.

 

What has the burka got to do with headscarves being mandatory in Iran? Don't you actually know what you were talking about? You probably don't even know the difference. Are you related to Gilos who strangely also said that you were referring to burkas. You are all over the place!

Anyway, back to your obsession with headscarves - are you against the US law that prohibits women going topless anywhere they want in the US in public? If not why not? Why don't you answer?

Unlike you, I'm not a hypocrite. It's Iran's laws so it is up to them - it is none of my business.

 

That is what you would think except straight from page 1 the attacks against Iran started instead of acknowledging that Iran are one of three countries (with Syria and Russia) that are fully committed to eradicating the main threat to the world.