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Birds of a feather flock together
(ancient proverb)

German multiculturalism has utterly failed
(Angela Merkel, 2010)​

So, we get terrorist attacks almost daily now. How long can this continue?
Isn't it time to admit multiculturalism is an utter failure and dismantle it?

What's wrong with Christian living in Christendom, Muslims living in the Islamic world, Buddhist living in the Buddhist world?
What's wrong with the English living in England, Germans living in Germany, Spanish living in Spain, Chinese living in China, Indonesians living in Indonesia?
Why should different cultures live together on a daily basis? I don't want to hear the imam chanting in my city and the Muslims are irritated by church bells. I don't want to see female "ninjas" on the street and the average Muslim don't want to see girls with short skirts (so they say). So why bother lumping everything together and teasing "the other"?

Who decided we should live under multiculturalism anyway?

 

Define multiculturalism.

 

One, who is the we above? Is this counting all the terror attacks in the World? Just in Europe? Just in the US?

Two - if Christians only lived in Christendom - I suppose Christianity would have flourished for a time in the Middle East (we'd have to call it something else, of course) & then died in the surge of Islam from 622 CE on. Christianity never stayed in its point of origin, of course - a good thing from the POV of Western Civilization. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism - most of whom did not accept Jesus as the Messiah, & so didn't heed the call, if they even heard it.

The problem with the tidy map drawn in the OP is that it's ahistorical. Judaism originated in the Middle East, more or less. Christianity was an offshoot. Islam started in Saudi Arabia, & claims to be the perfection of the first two (which doesn't count all the other religions in the World, by the way). None of the three faiths stayed put in the point of origin - Judaism was forced from place to place, country to country. Christianity spread to the West, & from Europe conquered (by exploration or trade or warfare or colonization) throughout the World. Islam also burst out of Saudi Arabia, & conquered (& traded & explored) around the Mediterranean Sea & east to the Philippines.

So which territories should we confine the respective religions to? At their high point, the three overlap a lot - How would we resolve the contending claims? Should Spain be declared an open country for all three?

Who decided we should live under multiculturalism - The European Christian (& other) explorers & traders & soldiers who opened up Africa & the Americas & the Pacific & Asia to contact with the West decided. Not deliberately, they were pursuing markets or knowledge or Christianity or goods or riches - sometimes all @ once. & they may not have thought about the effects of trading & raiding across the World - but if they'd given it any thought, I believe they would have continued in any event. They were making do, gambling on bringing in the big strike, or claiming new lands & people for the crown (& getting a %), or achieving fame & a title in combat for church & crown. Islam also explored & traded, & converted peoples to Islam.

 

Cultural-marxism, political correctness, internationalist socialism.

In America, multiculturalism is to dismantle America's customs, culture, traditions, language, history and change the demographics of America to further the political agenda of the extreme radical left.

Now you know what multiculturalism is.

 

No one demands multiculturalism in China, India, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc. Only white christian countries with european heritage must be multicultural. It is the fact that all multicultural states were failed till now, e.g. Ancient Egypt before Hyksos dynastie, Babylon, Rome, Greek, etc. etc. etc.It is not multiculturalism, but a replacement of descendants whites founders of country by non-whites immigrants.

 

This post is so absurd that I felt compelled to point it out.

 

Are there still any Marxists in the World @ all? There are still some hardline Communist countries, I know. But Marxist? I don't think so. PC was never - TMK - a rule in the US. There was a tradition of trying to be polite, even in disagreeing, but I suppose that's over for the next few years or so.

No, I don't think multiculturalism is trying to dismantle the US - if anything, it's a continuation of the Founding Fathers' trend of expanding the franchise to all men & women who are interested in participating. (The franchise was very limited early on.) & US history is pretty much a field of study that's been abandoned.

The demographics of the US are self-selected - as people opted to have fewer children, the US population now largely depends on immigration to keep the population growing. That trend is slowing, though, as the perception that the US is not a welcoming place for non-Christian, non-English-speaking people spreads to the countries whose people we used to attract.

 

Multiculturalism is the code word for white genocide

 

Why absurd?Whites are now foreign in own countries.

 

Please please forgive me for using Wikipedia as a source.

A better source, more credible than Wikipedia.

"Political Correctness": A Short History of an Ideology
Edited by William Lind
November 2004

Who Stole Our Culture?
By William Lind
May 24, 2007

The Origins of Political Correctness
By William Lind
February 5, 2000

What Is the Frankfurt School (And Its Effect on America)?
By Dr. Gerald L. Atkinson
August 1, 1999

Political Correctness: The Revenge of Marxism
By Baron Bodissey
June 14, 2006

Multiculturalism and Marxism
By Frank Ellis
November, 1999

Cultural Marxism
By Linda Kimball
February 15, 2007

Cultural Marxism in Education: The Gathering Revolt
By Chuck Roger
April 18, 2010

A Guide for the Perplexed: A Brief History of Political Correctness and Its Origins
By Cartes A. Jouer
September 3, 2012

 

There is nothing wrong with multiculturalism as long as there are things that still bind one together.

 

Multiculturalism rejects assimilation, it rejects uniformity.

Multiculturalism is very tribal, a whole lot of different tribes with different believes, agendas, languages, traditions, customs, culture, laws like sharia..

Multiculturalism is about ethnic neighborhoods, barrios, ghettos, slums, gated communities, unguarded borders.

 

Multiculturalism does not work because it contradicts the realities of anthropology. The more different cultures and ethnicuties you encounter, the more aware will you become of your own ethno-cultural identity. This will foster racism and nationalism which will result in violence and distrust.

 

Very true.

Barthian theory of ethnicity is the most used and most widely recognised one and it, in short, holds that ethnicity is created in the social interaction with an "Other". This means that in more ethno-culturally homogenous ("monocultural") societies, tnere is very little reason and need to make ethnicity a central part of one's identity. In the multicultural society, the individual is constantly being reminded by the existing ethno-cultural differences which creates a clear "Us and Them"-distinction.

Anthropologist Roosen has shown how this might take place in his book Creating Ethnicity in which he shows how the urban Flemish living in Brussels is much more inclinded on expressing his Flemishness than the Flemish farmer living on the countryside. Obviously, the Flemish man living in Brussels is, culturally, more similar to the Vallonian living in Brussel than the Flemish farmer on the countryside is. Yet, it is the Brusselian Flems that resort to ethno-nationalism and not the farmer.

Additionally, Mitchel studied Rhodesian miners and how they segregated themselves in barracks, lunch rooms and beer huts. This was during a time when many men left their isolated tribes to move to the mountains to work as miners. The collectivistic nature of man was highly evident in these men's socialising patterns; men of the same tribe ate and slept only with their "own kind" and made exceptions only if they percieved there was some kind of similarity between their tribes.

In America. we saw how the various immigrant groups prefered to live with- and marry their own kind and still today, we have places like Little Italy, Chinatown, Little Havana, Irish quartiers and Jewish neighbourhoods etc etc. And still today, many of them remain endogamous and take great pride in their herritage. Or as put in the words of Zangwill; "the [American] melting pot never happened."

Other researchers on ethnicity have noticed that people are more willing to preserve their ethno-cultural identities when there is some sort of pressure from the outside, this could be things like colonialism, war and migration. In Sweden, immigrants often organise in- and create ethno-cultural unions, they remain endogamous and encourage their children to be so as well and they will teach their Sweden-born kids their own language.

Second generation immigrants, who were very briefly mentioned above, is another aspect of multiculturalism that is very interesting to talk about, but I am too lazy to do so in this post.

 

I concur with your post and also at this time I'm too lazy to respond at this time.

 

Please grow up. Don't come to a forum if you intend to ask such questions.

 

What a load of hooey.

 

An impressive list. I'll hit the highlights - but as of today, I don't think of Marxism as a live force in the World. Maybe a Leninist-Stalinist take on Marx. But it'll take a while, I haven't looked @ Communism in ages - ever since they pretty much vanished from history.

 

It does not and most of the things you list are because of economic stratification, not multiculturalism.

 

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What an impressive wall of post. It is nice that it confirms your wrongness and my rightness in a single sentence: Multiculturalism has become a proxy for other social and political issues: immigration, identity, political disenchantment, working-class decline.

 

In my experience, multiculturalism is a stranger. When I grew up, we all came from different heritages. We were southerners, northerners, easterners, westerners, Irish, French, German, Scott, Welsh, English, Semite, Jewish, Presbyterian, Baptist, Catholic, agnostic, tall, short, smart, not so smart, light skinned and blue eyed, dark skinned and brown eyed. We each had different habits according to our Parents and their upbringing. We were all different from one another in every way. But what made us Americans and brought us together as friends and co conspirators in life was a common language, English, common schools, sports like baseball and football, and the love of girls. In short, we were free.There was no place for multiculturalism, which to me is what you should leave behind when you become an American. Then you all go forth as Americans, a new breed, mutts. Screw multiculturalism. It is a tourist destination for intellectuals who have missed the boat and meaning of life. So they study the wondrousness of the close proximity of different cultures. And regale the abolition of true brotherhood. Sad is that.
Either that, or maybe it all depends on where you live in the country.

 

What? Culture is what binds a country together. Multiculturalism is the opposite. Preservation of ethnic roots while assimilating is the way America works.

 

You do realize that "Preservation of ethnic roots while assimilating is the way America works" is a restatement of "There is nothing wrong with multiculturalism as long as there are things that still bind one together." don't you?

 

OK....Understood....Guess took it wrong. I just HATE the word 'multiculturalism' because I consider America to be its own unique culture. Immigrants who assimilate are not precluded from bringing their traditions, food, beliefs however they should not live in America as if it was the country they emigrated from.