<Mod Warning> US Government orders Russia Today to register as agent of foreign government

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Some measure of censorship, the Justice Department has ordered RT to register under Foreign Agents Registration Act. OMG, the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming.

    https://www.rt.com/news/409349-rt-foreign-agent-doj/

    Despite many efforts over the years to have other organizations representing other foreign entities to register under FARA, only the effort against Russia has succeeded.

    Tremendous insight into the level of insecurity expressed by the federal government.

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    So it's Trump's Justice Dept and not Obama's, which proves the lengths to which Trump is in bed with Moscow. LMAO
     
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    Report Casts Light on TV Channel's Role in Russia's Propaganda Efforts
    Intelligence document says RT aired reports about Hillary Clinton's leaked emails and media bias against Donald Trump
    Wall Street Journal - LUKAS I. ALPERT - Jan. 6, 2017
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/report-...role-in-russias-propaganda-efforts-1483750398

    A declassified U.S. intelligence assessment of Russias alleged attempts to influence the American presidential election focuses heavily on RT, a Kremlin-financed international news channel that the report says played a key role in Moscows efforts.

    The report, released Friday, detailed why the intelligence community believes that Russia carried out cyberattacks aimed at undermining the electoral process and ensured that damaging information obtained through those activities was disseminated online.

    But it also shined a light on what it characterized as Russia's bigger propaganda efforts, especially RT, formerly known as Russia Today. Seven pages of the 25-page report detail the growth of the media outlet, its alleged ties to the Kremlin and how it has been a platform for criticizing the U.S. and the West.

    The report said the network sought to damage Hillary Clintons candidacy, consistently airing negative reports on her leaked emails, accusing her of corruption and alleging she had ties to Islamic extremism, among other things. At the same time, RT was positive about President-elect Donald Trump and cast him as the target of unfair coverage from traditional U.S. media outlets.

    RTs editor in chief, Margarita Simonyan, has close ties to top Russian officials, the report said. The Kremlin staffs the network and closely supervises its coverage, recruiting people who can convey Russian strategic messaging because of their ideological beliefs, the report said.

    RT actively collaborated with WikiLeaks, which released information obtained through cyberattacks, by giving its editor in chief Julian Assange sympathetic coverage and [providing] him a platform to denounce the United States, the report said.

    RT's criticism of the U.S. election was the latest facet of its broader and longer-standing anti-U.S. messaging likely aimed at undermining viewers trust in U.S. democratic procedures and undercutting U.S. criticism of Russias political system, the report said.
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    RT
    Rational Wiki
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RT
    [......]
    Conspiracy theories

    Conspiracy-related posts form the bulk of all comments on the majority of videos published by RT online.
    Although Fox News has supported conspiracy theorists[4] including Birthers,[5] Russia Today is the Only international news organisation that promotes Conspiracy theories on an Industrial scale.

    For example there is a compilation of, originally no fewer than 56 Russia Today YouTube videos on 9/11 (7 now deleted).[6] The majority publicise, and clearly support, Conspiracy theories. The remainder involve other criticisms of the United States.

    RT regularly features interviews with Cranks as experts on various subjects.

    The Conspiracy theories that it gives publicity to are generally those that portray the US as deeply amoral, malicious and/or doomed to failure but, as a government mouthpiece of the world’s No. 1 fossil fuel supplier, RT has also featured global warming conspiracy theory proponents e.g. Piers Corbyn,[7] Christopher Monckton,[8][9]and Patrick Michaels.[10] Other examples are in a compilation of 7 videos on “Climategate.”[11]

    RT's news articles have sourced to Fake news websites such as InfoWars[12] and WND. Uber-conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has been interviewed on numerous occasions by RT,[14][15][16][17] and other conspiracy theorists that have appeared as guests on his radio program and been interviewed (in most cases several times) by RT include Mike Adams,[18] Mark Dice,[19] David Ray Griffin,[20] Jesse Ventura,[21]Lyndon LaRouche[22] and Gerald Celente.[23] It's a needle-thread away from Scopie's Law status.

    Peter Lavelle hosts "CrossTalk" on RT. He claimed on his July 23, 2014 show that, "I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I never allow conspiracy theorists on my program."[24] However in the same show, he went on to propose that a conspiracy theory that Ukraine shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in order to gain worldwide sympathy (rather than the consensus opinion that it was a Russian-sponsored militia).[24] PolitiFact has further documented several conspiracy theorists who have appeared on his show on other dates.[24]

    Alongside nutty conspiracy theorists, RT had also given voice to genuine whistleblowers from the Western world, like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, while at the same time (unsurprisingly) ignoring similar whistleblowers or opposition figures (like Kasparov) from Russia.[25][/U]
    [.......]

    SputnikNews

    Mindful of RT's unfortunately accumulating reputation as Bat-Guano insane propaganda, the same government department has launched the totally unrelated SputnikNews, which will surely not gather a similar image as the home of gibbering delusion, with headlines like "US Anger With RT Will Start World War Three".[42] Possibly.

    Andrew Feinberg, a US citizen and SputnikNews' former White House correspondent, was interviewed by the FBI in September 2017; he also turned over to them "a thumb drive containing thousands of internal Sputnik emails and documents."[43] The FBI investigation was with regard to whether SputnikNews was "acting as an undeclared propaganda arm of the Kremlin in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act", but may have also been in connection with Russian tampering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[43]

    Thus you see support for RT.... BY conspiracists above.
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    More Rabid anti..... uh...
    Grau gets AIPAC into a RT thread. In fact he's gotten it into Just about any thread topic.

    "Grau" "aipac" politicalforum.com
    https://www.google.com/search?q="Grau"+"aipac"+politicalforum.com+site:www.politicalforum.com&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj0ltm4vbTXAhWKKCYKHWY9CIgQrQIIMygEMAA&biw=1280&bih=592

    "135 Results"

    ANY topic will be used by Grau to shoehorn in .. eh.. 'Israel.'
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    RT are agents for the Russian govt.

    full stop.
     
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    Now RT can be ordered to register publicly all of its employees and subcontractors as foreign operatives.
     
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    they are nothing but paid & orchistrated Russian govt. propaganda.

    thats why they should be registered.
     
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    Grau, the issue is RT not the misaction of the US in this thread.
     
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    Two posts by Grau and NEITHER mentions RT.
    One "AIPAC."
    Two "Hasbara Troll."


    So transparent.
    Oh, and you said I was on Ignore more than once. Whopper.
    I'm only on Ignore when there's a Factual issue you can't answer/LOST.

    Otherwise, it's the usual: "AIPAC", "Holohoax", "HolocaustⓇ", and "Holocaust Industry".
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    Ah you left out a few that I have seen on RT. Oh, people like Ray McGovern retired CIA russian analyst, William Binney, NSA whistle blower, John McAfee an expert on hacking, and that god awful man Ron Paul. None of these people are seen in MSM, because they tell the truth. But they are contrary voices to the "official stories". So, russian propaganda.

    The truth has to be censored for otherwise who will speak truth to power? MSM, the faux free press? Look up what journalistic standards involve sometimes, if you can stand it. RT will give voices to the other side of the official story, and some of you just want only one side. So you do not want real journalism, you want your biases confirmed. That is ok with me, but don't expect any creds with the critical minds, but with just the dead heads. Then you can pat yourself on the back and say like Kipling's monkeys..we all say so, so it must be true. I prefer critical thinking humans, not damned monkeys.
     
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    This string is a perfect example of a problem.
    Conspiracists abound. They are all in agreement here.
    More undoubtedly to follow/out themselves.

    And they, along with fringers on both sides, ARE the main and Unwtting Targets of RT and it's Subversive attempts.
    They eat up anything anti-USA/establishment. ANYTHING.
    So far, those in support of RT are CTers. More will follow/out themselves.

    We have a CT thread in this section that's BS going on for 4 days.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...be-beheaded-in-moderate-muslim-nation.518443/
    Just great.

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    Russophobia?
     
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    Good idea. Now they should order Trump to register as a foreign agent.
     
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    anything to attack Jews, I guess.
     
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    Have I or have I not commented on multiple threads that have had nothing to do with Jews, Israel, Zionism etc?

    Yes or no?

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    What a failed attempt. When you will ignore a total lack of journalistic standards, which means the free press is dead, and that is who you use for you information, with anything other than that, russian or conspiracy propaganda, well, you have zero credibility in what you believe. And those beliefs are therefore highly questionable in regards to hard facts and what the actual truth of the matter is.

    RT will give the other sides of the official story. I am sure if they were around when the lies were being conjured up they would have had men, americans on, like McGovern, who by the way was trying to tell people not to trust the lies that took us into Iraq, on giving us another contrary point of view. And you would have called him a traitor, a conspiracy nut, even with his experience in the CIA. So, go piss on someone elses leg man. Some of us demand to hear more than what our very trustworthy politicians tell us via MSM. Some of us are interested in the truth, and we are adult enough and learned enough to know when journalistic standards are not practiced you are being sold a bill of goods which you will not even question. RT will give voice to the contrary voices, and if that is such an evil something is wrong with those that think so. MSM sure as hell will not give voice to such voices, from not conspiracy theorists, but credible and very experienced retired gov't officials and intel members. So RT has filled that needed vacuum. To stop contrary voices, american voices is what some americans and our politicians want to do. And are doing that. Free speech? Yeah, right. Stomp all over the constitution when it does not serve partisan interests! Very unAmerican. But perhaps you do not trust your own intellect to separate the wheat from the chaff and you depend upon the official story to do that for you? Some of us see that as dangerous. But I have no doubt we have gov't propaganda shills on this forum, for they have a particular way about themselves, and could not care less that our media does not practice basic journalistic standards essential to a well informed public. I see the old Tass from MSM, and one expects that from a nation like the old USSR, but not from America. You want to turn american into the old USSR when it comes to information. That is what I see.
     
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    My interests have been and continue to include Mid East history & events since I went there decades ago.
    It's no question that US MSM is pro Israel & Zionist dominated(1)(2) and hates any form of competition such as RT which has some excellent journalists that you've already named.
    Prior to the Internet, you had to resort to foreign media to get more objective reporting on Mid East affairs which are currently so critical to America's military, strategic & economic interests
    When analyzing any source, it consider its likelihood of bias so when reading about Russian affairs in RT, I consider the likelihood that it is unlikely to be straightforward about Russian issues.
    Briefly put, I'm strongly opposed to further restricting the information available to Americans. Leave it to readers to sort out what is true & false.



    (1) “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U


    EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.”

    In fact, three main dailies here from mid-July to mid-August easily gave the impression that U.S. President Barack Obama, not Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was prosecuting a war against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The U.S. State Department continues to list the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) as a terrorist organization.

    Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal dispelled any doubt about which side it was on. On Aug. 2-3, its Review section gave a two-page spread — “In Defense of Zionism” — against an oversize photo of a flag-raising ceremony in Israel, in 1948.”CONTINUED



    (2) "Jews DO control the media,"

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jews-do-control-the-media.html

    EXCERPT "Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?"CONTINUED
     
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    Agreed. And if you want to hear the trash on Putin, you will never get that on RT. Anyone who watches the american hosted programs on RT can see this. So do not expect RT to diss Putin. But I do not watch american hosted programs to get the news in regards to russia or Putin. I watch it to hear the contrary voices and these are not all conspiracy theorists like Ventura, but men like Binney, McGovern, and Ron Paul. For msm blacks out these men and so many others, who are not tin foil hatters. So, RT is one place where you can hear the contrary voices of americans, credible men, experienced men and patriots.

    RT, according to the americans who work there, never pre interviews the americans who appear on RT. MSM will pre interview and as McGovern said about the BBC, if they do not like what you are saying, you get cut from the program. As he did. MSM will pre interview to keep off opposing voices to the "official story".

    To attempt to get an idea of what is really going on in america, you have to go outside of MSM including FOX, the Post and the NYTs. And you have to do this because MSM no longer practices genuine journalism, due to their total lack of journalistic standards and integrity as well as intellectual honesty. This has turned them into nothing but propaganda outlets in large part. And given the mis-education and hyper partisanship of the People, they are oblivious to this, or simply do not care. Yet a few of us do. But clearly our politicians do not want americans to hear contrary voices. So they try to censor, as some corporations are doing, to keep americans stupid herd animals. And some of us here want that too. For they do not believe americans should think about anything, and just accept what they are told. Then the next time the politicians need to lie to get us into another multi trillion dollar war while we cannot rebuilt our own infastructure, they can do that easier for all contrary voices will be blacked out by rules and policies our politicians legislated, and also with great help from our social media corporations. And this is little different than the way the old USSR does it, and China and NK still does it today. And when anyone fears contrary voices what in the hell are they really trying to protect? But please, do not think about this, for it might give some of us a most horrible headache...to actually have to think.
     
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    In addition to my previous question, show JUST ONE Post in which I have "attacked Jews"
     
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    We should be thankful that all the information came out on Hillary before the election. Imagine how it would have been if Hillary won and the truth came out after the election. It seems our own government went to great lengths to cover for her. It's not as if fake news stories about her were being printed.

    Now the dossier on Trump was fake news and did expose that the Russians can be bought for a price. All this sanctimonious carping about Russia is such a farce as if we don't ever try and influence and interfere in other countries affairs and elections.
     
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    Well, goody gum drops for you.

    You attacks are meaningless, you know.
     
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    Virtually ALL press and media should be required to register as an agent of foreign governments. For example, the NYT should register as an agent of Mexico.
     
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    "We should be thankful that all the information came out on Hillary before the election. Imagine how it would have been if Hillary won and the truth came out after the election" so that Trump was elected. It seems our own government went to great lengths to cover for her. It's not as if fake news stories about her were being printed.

    The fake news about Trump et al not colluding and scheming with the Russians has been exploded.

    It is much easier to get rid of El Orango know that he could be bought by the Russians for a price
     
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    does the Mexican govt. choose the senior staff of the NY Times and fund the NY Times?

    no sir.
     
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