Moderna says an omicron variant vaccine could be ready in early 2022

No my argument has never been that. Its to challenge specific comments you say that are nonsensical and illogical.

Turning yourself into a we so as to obtrain more credibility is a pointless device.

The amount of people who may or may not agree with something irrational does not make it rational and yes if you are in a crowded place screaming fire fire and panicking someone will probably tell you to shut up.

 

Thedimon, in regards to authoritarianism you again repeat:

"You got that backwards. I do not support forcing you to put a mask on or to inject something into your body in the name of keeping me safe. You, on the other hand, support the government invading other citizens privacy and autonomy in the name of keeping you safe. You support authoritarianism, not me!"

You deliberately mistate the actual scenaro which is that no one has forced me to take shots or wear a mask I CHOSE to based on the best good faith advice of physicians and my pharmacist and doctor. No I have never stated or argued government should "invade" you to keep me safe. The screaming and complete rearrangement of the actual reality you are faced with speaks for itself and your lack of credibility and fears.

Next you made this irrational statement:

"I’m sorry, but an invasive medical procedure, or invasive mandates to individuals that involves their physical faces can not be called courtesy. Maybe in North Korea, not here."

Again you fabricate irrational delusional scenarios. No one has asked you to take a shot or wear a mask.

You stated"

"I was actually trying to get a question answered in the last 5-6 pages of this thread."

No you in fact made continuous repeat statements sometimes posed as rhetorical questions where you cue the answer you want stating vaccines were rushed into service making the doctors criminals of humanity and now are dangerous and now you continue with your delusional references of being forced by me or government to do things. Your words are there for anyone to read. You do NOT ask questions and in fact when you are given answers you ignore them and circle right back to your alleged questions as statements to ignore the anwers you were given showing your assumptions were defective.

You then made this response:

"If it’s about dna carrying data about pathogens, here:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210909124034.htm"

No it is not. The article you provide deals with a genetic issue that has NOTHING to do with how limited memory works in vaccines.

You stated:

"But, I never claimed to be an expert. Again, I was trying to get a question answered for the past several pages. Experts don’t tend to run around asking questions.
The whole thing was brought up because you claimed immune system has no memory."

I did not state the immune system has no memory. That is an absolute falsehood and the statement you quoted from me as saying that never said that nor have any words I posted stated the immune system has no memory. You of course do claim to be an expert in math and based on that expertise claim it gives you the knowledge to spread fear that the vaccine is dangerous and something negative could happen years from now.

You stated:

"My whole argument about an mRNA vaccine always revolves around the fact that long term effects are not known and this is a new platform. I said there could be dangerous long term effects like ADE. The word “could” means a possibility."

Yes you keep repeating the same false assumption that there is a possibility of long term side effects from a process you clearly do not understand. You don't seek answers-you seek to promulgate fear by trying to rationalize your right to spread fear.[/QUOTE]

 

I like having discussions with you as long as you are not taking my statements out of context.

 

How hard is it to make sense out of the concept that taking a vaccine helps control and cut down the number of people who might catch a contagious virus from you and die or your or them taking up valuable hospital time from someone else causing that other person to die. Of course it makes sense you just don't want to hear about anything you are being asked to consider for a greater need than just yourself.

Well we are even. I am "sick" of hearing selfish, self-entitled people like you whine. You don't want to take the vaccine do not. Come on forums and spread falsehoods about it you will be challenged. Try expose yourself to others you will be told you can not. If you have a problem with understanding how your actions can negatively impact on others you either need to grow up or live isolated. The choice is yours.

 

Dude!
I was just trying to explain in simple terms how immune system memory works (or should work in general).
All I was trying to say is that immune system does have memory component to it and that it looks like the history of our diseases might be recorded directly into our DNA. I know there are anti-vaxxers out there who claim the vaccination drive is some sort of a conspiracy operation to secretly spread gene therapy (which explains your knee jerk reaction), but that was not what I was trying to say. All I said is that it looks like our DNA keeps a “log” of the viruses it encountered in the past and there is a research out there that hints that the data is passed down to our children.

 

The only one being arrogant is you coming on this forum and swearing because you don't like the challenges raised to people who fear monger about vaccines. If you can't debate the issues don't but don't use this dialogue to engage in swearing directly at people or me because you disagree with them. Thank you.

 

Its not all you are saying. The full context of what you said is to pose the above scenario to suggest a basis to cause long term side effects. That is not possible as has been explained to you many times. I am not knee jerk reacting by the way. I actually have taken a lot of time responding to your words. If I was knee jerk reacting I would as the other thread participant did swear.

 

Okay.
Let’s get back to the fun part of the discussion, but let’s stick to the context:
Why do you think mandatory masking and vaccination is a good thing, especially with vaccines that use new platforms?
Why can’t we repeat the mRNA vaccine trick with the flu? From what I gather, the answer to that is “we don’t really know”, but I’m curious as to what your opinion is.
Why is vaccine-induced immunity fading within weeks against the same strain?

 

How hard is it to make sense out of the fact that IF vaccines are effective you shouldn't care if others get it? I got an idea, you worry about you and I'll worry about me.
You know, I'm sick of fatties taking up precious hospital time because they were too f**king lazy to take care of themselves. I assume you feel the same?

 

On to ignore you go. You waste people's time with such abusive comments.

 

No one said the responses were not about long term effects. What happened was there was a dialogue challenging whether there could be long term effects. This is the second time you have engaged in a swearing response and make no sense. This is why there is an ignore button.

 

No one can force you to wear a mask or take a vaccine as you are well aware. Also please do not insult my intelligence or yours and pose questions to answers you already have.

This was my last response to you. Thank you I am putting you now on ignore.

 

That would be the second time now.
Well, you know where to find me. Have fun in your safe space.