Moderna says an omicron variant vaccine could be ready in early 2022

All variants can re-infect people after the immunity wears off. I know someone who died after getting 2nd infection.

I am not a doctor, but IMO if a mild variant sticks around people will get infected over and over, and re-infections will boost immunity, so the virus will make itself harmless.

 

Because anyone who's put forth an "let's not ****ing panic" narrative has absolutely been vilified by the left leaning mob.

 

The main difference with Omikron and previous ones is the number of mutation. While the previous ones had one or two, Omikron has 10 just on how it target the spike. It's borderline a new virus at this point.

 

Feel free to panic since you obviously disagree with the "narrative".

Let me repeat my question: Why would anyone call the doctor a far right- Nazi for sharing info about Covid?

 

because the info isn't bad news. fear mongering or vaccine compliant. because the left leaning "think" mob have been doing this **** since this covid **** started.

on the contrary. if the latest strain is mild but more infectious...this is absolutely great news! as it's showing that the virus is becoming more mild as it develops and less of a health concern. Even with the stupid "scary" name.

 

800 000 Americans are dead (not that you give a crap), so maybe they had a point, and maybe those who downplayed it were a bunch of idiots.

Let me repeat my question: Why would anyone call the doctor a far right- Nazi for sharing info about Covid?

You keep avoiding the question.

 

All the variants can and do infect and reinfect people shot or no shot. This damned virus is going to run it's course and nothing we have been able to do so far has or can stop it. If it's true that the latest version of Covid is weaker that would tend to say that it's following the normal path of an infection and becoming less threatening. That could be because the virus is losing it's potency or herd immunity, our natural defense, is getting stronger. Even the politics are weakening, it is becoming much harder to stomp, yell and order the population to accept the story of the hour. Lots of middle fingers going up;.

 

I've answered it twice now.

Because her message isn't going to promote fear and vaccine mandates. Lots of Americans die each year from heart disease. Life is a risk/reward thing.

 

It does affect other tissues, which is why people have muscle aches, joint pain, fatigue, nausea as side effects of the vaccine. But the heart is particularly prone to inflammatory issues. Plus, there is the theoretical toxicity of the spike protein itself to the endothelium, and the heart depends a lot on intact endothelium.

CoronaVac: Yes, if you see my State of the Vaccines thread, I had high hopes for it. Including, I've worked in the past in collaboration missions in Brazil, where the Instituto Butantan developed the CoronaVac together with Sinovac (a Chinese vaccine-maker) and some of the people involved are my personal friends with whom I keep in touch by email. So I closely followed the phase 2 and 3 clinical trials for the CoronaVac. The Brazilian scientists are good people and world-class, most of them, trained in Europe and/or the United States. So, I'd not have a problem with the CoronaVac for not being a "Western" vaccine. However, the results were disappointing. It barely achieved more than 50% efficacy (I think the final number was 50.3%) required by Brazil's FDA (called ANVISA) to grant approval. So, it was approved, and it did go into production, distribution, and widespread use in Brazil, and in other countries. But this 50% efficacy was measured before Delta. This is why the Brazilian health authorities now recommend a Pfizer booster for everybody who had the CoronaVac.

So, why is a whole attenuated virus vaccine like the CoronaVac less efficacious than the mRNA vaccines? Because it generates a response to all sorts of virus antigens, in addition to the spike protein. The really important antibodies we want, are the neutralizing IgGs that target the spike protein's Receptor Binding Domain which is the virus' Achilles Heal and the mRNA vaccines focus 100% on that, while with the CoronaVac only a fraction of the immune system will be targeting the RBD of the spike protein. So this more diffused response will keep the immune system distracted with making antibodies that won't be very helpful, with a fraction of them being the helpful kind, while the mRNA vaccines will zoom into what matters.

Analogy - think of a science-fiction movie. The enemy spacecraft wants to border your spacecraft, by using their docking ring around their airlock, to dock with your spacecraft's airlock so that they can invade and kill you all. So, you get ten gunners shooting lasers at the enemy spacecraft. One of them tries to hit the docking ring itself so that it will get distorted and the enemy ship won't be able to dock, while the other 9 try to shoot at the body of the enemy spacecraft but the enemy ship has good armor and they are not getting a lot of damage from that. It's the docking ring that is made of softer alloy without armor, but the gunners are shooting all over the place. That's the CoronaVac. Now, think of the mRNA vaccine, as all 10 gunners trying to hit the docking ring. There are better odds that they will succeed in damaging the rink and preventing the enemy craft from docking and doing its thing.

The Chinese only have vaccines made with traditional platforms, because they don't have the know-how to make vaccines with the new platforms. They'd be delighted to have an mRNA Chinese vaccine, if they could. They are actively pursuing this goal.

Sometimes what is old is not what is best. What do you prefer, traveling by a modern car, or by a horse-drawn carriage?

I don't think you should be afraid of the mRNA vaccines. They are excellent, efficacious, and very safe, with very rare reactions. If you're a male under the age of 30 you may want the Pfizer rather than the Moderna (rarer myocarditis) but even the Moderna causes myocarditis very rarely; much less frequently than the virus itself, which also causes longer-lasting and more severe myocarditis than the one rarely caused by the vaccines.

 

And that somehow explains why they will call her far right- Nazi?

All your arguments are founded on conspiracy theories about everyone always wanting to promote fear. You are desperately trying to project on others and then you are disappointed when Biden says there is no need to panic, which is the exact opposite of what you have been claiming. Now you double down and claim people will attack the doctor for not promoting fear. Real life events are proving your claims have been nonsense and you are not liking it.

800 000 Americans are dead, but you pretend its all just people "promoting fear".

 

Yes. If they follow the same pattern as has been for the last 2 years...

Speaking of conspiracy theories and projections, when did I say I was disappointed when Biden says there is no need to panic. Trump said the same thing to try and calm the populace and he got **** on wrongfully so. I don't think Biden should either with the same message.

(even though more people died in 2021 then 2020...lol)

So. ya. There's that.

 

If the pattern of losing 800 000 Americans, and crippling the economy continues, then they need to speak up. If the new variant is mild, as it appears to be, then they need to say what Biden said yesterday. I don't get it why you expect people to always say the same thing no matter what the situation. Is that what you do?

 

We crippled the economy because we stopped going to work. Solving nothing as it never prevented the spread or saved lives.

We crippled the economy because we demand it was up to everyone else to keep the individual safe, and not the individual.

As of right now the states leading the infections per day are mostly if not all blue states. The authoritarian style mandates solved nothing.

 

the new mRNA process is much much easier, that is what makes this technology so promising

that said, we get a new flu vaccine every year too, so the old process was pretty good too, just not as easy

 

Nope. I will work elsewhere where such BS isn't being mandated.

 

I do.

No, I do.

This I believe.

Yeah... so?

"After I die" is not the here and now, dude.

 

That's true. But if the variants keep trending into more mild infections...this is a win. And honestly where I see a virus evolve into. It doesn't do the virus any good to kill the host.

 

True, but the virus doesn't know if it's going to kill its host or not. Both the mutations and our immune system are independant.

 

Now we are going to lose our freedom while the government fights the Chinese iteration of the common cold.

 

Common cold that killed more than the spanish flu worldwide?

 

I think it's less deadly than Delta which was less deadly than previous variants.

 

Most likely it'll be rushed ineffective like the previous one

 

the current one is very effective, even against delta, that is why most of the people in hospitals are the unvaccinated

 

No it's not effective to any real standard.

 

real life data shows your wrong