Mom kills home invader, now going to prison for the gun she used

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The shooting was justified. But this pregnant mom is still going to prison.

    An Arkansas woman who killed an attacker in self-defense now faces years in prison for using a gun to kill the man because she was once caught with a plant.
    Do convicted felons have the right to defend themselves with a firearm? The answer to the question, in most U.S. states is no. Those who do, like Arkansas native Krissy Noble, face years in prison, for choosing to protect their lives and the lives of their loved ones with a firearm.


    Pregnant Mom Kills Home Invader in Justified Shooting, Now Going To Prison For the Gun She Used

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    Noble was cleared of all wrongdoing in the December 7th shooting death of Dylan Stancoff, who attacked her in her own home. Noble was pregnant at the time of the shooting when Stancoff, calling himself Cameron White, stopped by her home and asked to speak to Noble's husband who was not home at the time. Saying he was a friend from the military, Stancoff left but returned later, pushed himself into Noble’s home, attempted to cover her mouth to prevent her from screaming, and began to struggle with the mother-to-be.

    Noble escaped briefly and retrieved a .40 caliber handgun, fired three shots, and killed her attacker.

    But because Noble had pleaded guilty (before the shooting in 2017) to felony possession of marijuana, she now faces six years in prison, all for the crime of using her husband's handgun, a gun she successfully used to defend herself and the life of her unborn baby.

    The case against Noble will likely be an open and shut one. After all, she pleaded guilty to drug possession and knew she was prevented by law from owning a weapon, a crime which the state takes seriously. The guns belonged to her husband who is not a convicted felon.

    The War on Drugs and the War on Guns has, yet again, caught another morally innocent victim in its legal dragnet.

    Because marijuana remains illegal in the State of Arkansas, and is classified as a felony, those convicted of marijuana possession lose their right to own a gun. Despite the fact that small scale possession of marijuana is no longer classified as a crime in more than half the states in the country.

    Noble claims the cannabis did not belong to her but to other occupants in the vehicle (no one claimed the drugs so everyone in the car was charged with the same felony).

    Noble is now fearful the very baby she saved will not know her until his formative years have passed. She remarked her past should have no bearing on her present fight to remain out of prison and lamented the possibility of not being able to raise her son.

    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/p...m_content=The+Free+Thought+Project+Newsletter


    I knew some situation like this was going to happen eventually. Someone convicted of breaking a law that is classified as felony loses not only their right to own a gun, but it can also be a crime for them to use a weapon in self-defense. Imagine someone is taken hostage by an attacker with a gun, the victim somehow manages to grapple the gun out of the attacker's hands. But it becomes a crime for them to take the gun because they had a previous felony conviction from many years ago.
     
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    It's better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.

    Hopefully it will be a short sentence, then a pardon by the governor.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This story should be proof, if any be needed, that the laws are not always fair and right.
     
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    Is it 6 years for using the gun or for possessing a gun? It's pretty messed up as her husband most likely owned the gun and she was simply defending herself inside her own home. I'd like to be on that jury.
     
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    There's a little more to the story. The gun was in the husband's name. In Texas, and I suspect Arkansas, she's legal to use it to defend herself.

    As the link below notes, while she is charged with felony possession, they just revoked her suspended 5 year sentence which was passed last year. I hope the charges are dropped as bullshit because she still has a right to defend herself, even with her husband's gun. The guns are legal to be in the home if the husband was legal to have them.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/pregnant-...ustified-shooting-now-faces/story?id=57501792
    Noble is now charged with felony gun possession by a convicted felon and for allegedly possessing firearms between Nov. 7 and Dec. 7, Shue said. A warrant was filed for her arrest on Tuesday, records show.

    On Feb. 1, 2017, Noble had pleaded guilty to felony possession of marijuana with purpose to deliver and felony possession of drug paraphernalia, and was given a five-year suspended sentence that included a condition that she "not possess or use any firearms," Shue said.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do realize that cases like this rarely end up with a jury.

    Especially with a mother with a baby, she'd be very likely to plead guilty and be sentenced to 18 months rather than take her chances with a jury and risk a possible 4-6 years.

    There's a strong incentive built into the justice system to plead guilty. (another thread about that here: Trial penalty )

    You'll note that she had already pled guilty to marijuana possession even though there was no clear evidence that it belonged to her. And as a result of pleading guilty, she didn't end up having to serve any prison time.
     
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    Yes. Pleading guilty was the “easy way out “, but it also got her into this mess.
     
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    It appears the state doesn't even have to take her to court. They'll just vacate her probation and she goes directly to jail for the remainder of her sentence. Probably getting out in a year or two. Still ain't right though.
     
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    There was a possibility she would have been found guilty if it had gone to trial, and then she might have spent 2 or 3 years in prison.

    And for some people who can't afford bail, that means sitting in prison for 14 months before their trial starts.

    All because someone else in the car she was riding in happened to have a fairly large amount of marijuana they had packed in the car (it's not clear whether she knew about it).
     
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    Agreed, but anyone who have been around teenagers knows wisdom isn't their best quality.
     
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    Doubtful she will go to jail. The gun was not hers so she didn't possess it. The circumstances are on her side and its one of those situations in which people will be on her side. Its getting a lot of publicity, it makes Arkansas look very, very bad.

    She will probably get a good lawyer for free, and this will not last long. A good lawyer will tear the state to pieces even on the probation issue.

    She will still go through some BS from the govt, and will have some emotional pain.
     
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    Time will tell, but she seems certain be headed for lock up as a parole violation. No trial needed.
     
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    This is a real loser case for the state - it makes the state argue that she was better off not using the gun and getting raped and murdered. The real question is how stubborn the prosecutor in Arkansas will be, many prosecutors have political ambitions and this case is a death sentence to a political future. If he is smart he will quickly let her out on probation and drop the case.

    Cases like this were the reason for all the support for the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground.
     
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    Agreed the optics look bad, but it wouldn't be the first time for such a blind obedience to the law usurped justice.
     
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    Agree. "Law Enforcement" often takes precedence over intelligence, justice, and simple decency.
     
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    Better to have a miscarriage of justice than be dead.
     
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    Would a jury vote to convict her? I doubt it. I'm pretty anti-drug, but if I were on the jury, I wouldn't vote to convict her.
     
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    @kazenatsu That's the natural way of leftism, inversion of values. The victims become the evil one and the agressors become the victims.

    There is some cases in the same way in France.

    That's a cause and consequence of neutered weakling societies.
     
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    Who ever going after her on this needs to be disbarred and fired.
     
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    Why is the right wing not all over this? There must be a self-defense exception!
     
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    Oh, look at this. Dylan Stancoff (the man who entered her home) has been entered into the "Victims of Gun Violence" database:
    http://gunmemorial.org/2017/12/07/dylan-stancoff

    If you only looked at that site you wouldn't have any idea under which the circumstances he was killed.

    Looking at another past news article, it seems he had been arrested 4 years prior for shooting another man in the nose with a BB gun in a casino parking lot in Reno, Nevada (the picture matches up).
     
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    Anyway, he was a man in the house of someone else with no authorization, it's absolutely normal that he was shot, especially that the defender was a woman he could wanted to rape.
     
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    If this story is accurate, I'd acquit the **** out of her.
     
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    marijuana should be legalized and all convictions related to it except to the large kingpins, should be expunged.
     

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