Mom sentenced to life in prison for feeding baby vegan diet

FoxHastings said: ↑

OP unable to address the following:

Yes, for ADULTS... babies eat BABY food for a reason...
(I realize Anti-Choicers use words like baby, adult, fetus, embryo, toddler, and teenager interchangeably but there is a difference...)

From YOUR OP : Allegedly the baby was not thriving on the raw vegan diet, was wasting away and losing weight, but the mother still persisted until finally the baby died.

Vegan Mom Sentenced to Life in Prison After 18-Month-Old Baby Dies From 'Severe Malnutrition' (thegatewaypundit.com), August 30, 2022, Cassandra Fairbanks

As additional circumstantial evidence against the woman, of the woman's other three children, two were in such poor health condition, their skin was yellow in coloration and one had such poor dental hygiene that their teeth were black. The remaining child, an 11-year-old and the oldest of the four, was in better health condition, presumably because she spent time with her father in Virginia where she was fed a proper diet.""





Why are YOU DEFENDING a woman who actually killed a BABY ????

Shrug? What TF does that mean?

YOU sure don't seem to think so ..

Because there aren't any .....there is a difference between a BORN person and an unborn person....

Yes, but that has nothing to do with the OP....WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT ???



Why are YOU DEFENDING a woman who actually killed a BABY ????

 

She should either spend the rest of her life in prison, or be offered parole under the requirement she is irreversibly sterilized.

 

As usual the actual reason for the death was not described in the link. It was not because of the diet, it was because the 18 month child was not fed for a week. Don't those who prefer to attack vegans not bother to do any research to see if what they are reading is true?

 

do you have a link to that? was he fed vegan food and refused to eat it? wanted real food? body was rejecting it?

the mom was supposedly breast feeding, but because of her diet, that was not even helping as much

 

It's in the daily mail article that the OP link referred to and quote, "Doctors found Ezra had not been fed for a week by the time he died. " No surprise that The Daily Caller decided to omit that

 

This was murder. She had already been sent to parenting classes for one of her other children’s ‘failure to thrive’. If your child is wasting away in front of your eyes, you do everything in your power to help your child gain weight. If your child is having difficulty breathing, you get medical help immediately rather than ignoring it and going to bed. This isn’t the only child she has abused and she deserved the sentence that she got.

 

I think possibly the baby was refusing to eat the vegan food the mom was trying to give him and the mom just decided to starve the baby out, presuming that eventually the baby would get so hungry that he would eat.

I'm guessing it must have been somewhat instinctive for the baby not to eat that type of food the mom was offering him. Not the type of food normally fed to a baby.

 

Sounds pretty harsh if she fed the baby what she thought was best (what she eats) so it doesn't sound like she intended to kill her. It also sounds like she is not very smart, but in a State like Florida, they'll give you life sentence for just about anything. No intent needed.

If there was intent, then that's another story. I dont care to read gateway pundit version of it knowing they like to spice things up heavy handedly.

 

FFS now you are blaming the baby. What part do you not understand. It is a parent’s responsibility to look after the health of their children. If a child is starving, they must get medical help. This women basically allowed her child to starve to death. End of.

 

No, I was not blaming the baby. I was just saying that it seems like it may have been a little more complex than just the mom refusing to feed the baby.

 

Isn't it true that she killed the baby by trying to feed it a vegan diet? Yes or no?

 

No, it's not true. The child was not fed anything for one week

 

And when her baby was having difficulty breathing, she went to bed rather than taking the child to get medical care. That child died because the mother murdered him through neglect. She should have sought out medical care when her baby was losing weight and not thriving — it’s called neglect.

 

Like I said, I believe that may possibly be a misinterpretation of the article. It means the baby did not ingest food for one week. Not that the mother did not try to feed it vegan food for that week.

I actually disagree with you a little bit. But the key issue is that that medical issue, in the first place, was most likely caused by the very unconventional and controversial diet the mom was trying to feed the baby.
Since the mom most likely caused the medical issue through recklessness and poor decision-making, she is all the more responsible for neglecting to bring the child to a doctor to deal with the medical issue.
I suspect she probably knew what the doctor would tell her and she didn't want to hear it, so indoctrinated was she into the radical vegan ideology.

 

I don't trust murderers, thieves, rapists, vegetarians, kidnappers, or liberals.

 

We need to reopen the asylums for people like this.

 

The line between social ideology and insanity can be a blurry one.

I believe this was a case where lifestyle diet choice was almost like a religion or cult.

 

The line is drawn where either is dangerous to self or others. Insanity is just a symptom. Certainly ideology can be a cause.

 

Calling this due to veganism, like your most recent thread, is a bit of a stretch. The common thread is a limitation to "raw fruits and vegetables." It is very difficult to survive on only fruits and vegetables in terms of sufficient calories. Doing that results in insufficient calories. There are ways to get more calories without meat. The optimal food for a baby is breastmilk. In prehistory, this generally extended for a few years of life, with a gradual increase in supplementation from what the adults eat. A baby does not need animal products to survive (other than breast milk early on). This mother was negligent in general. A more difficult situation would be a very young infant with failed breastfeeding. But I do think vegan formula options exist.

 

Theoretically, but in reality and the real world it can be tricky and dangerous not to give a baby any animal products.

There is of course controversy about that in vegan circles.

Let me point out and again emphasize that theoretics often do not always translate into real world practice, and this is certainly such a case.

Theoretically I could build my own spaceship and travel to space. Reality is we both know what would almost certainly happen to me if I tried that. I'd end up like the Apollo 1 crew.

As I explained before (in post #11 ) :

"Yes, it's theoretically possible, but there is a much higher chance of something going wrong.
That's like saying it's possible to walk a tightrope over a ravine without taking too much risk. Yes, it's possible, but unless a lot of preconditions are met in the first place, such action is likely (near certain in fact) to lead to death."

 

It's already tricky and potentially hazardous enough for people to put together their own baby formula that does not contain human milk.

Trying to create a vegan formula is just taking that to whole other level of extreme. I'm not even sure that it's possible without using modern technology with nutrient isolates.

Just because a peculiar food product exists as a commercial product does not necessarily mean it's safe for a person to try to make that food product and then have their baby rely on it.
There are numerous potential health issues there. It's very important that babies get a proper balance, and there are many things they cannot digest as well as adults. It can be dangerous to rely on too much of one thing in their diet if that is not a normal type of thing babies eat.

I recognize that many doctors can often be overly conservative and overly cautious when it comes to diets for babies, but they are that way for a reason. Because a lot of parents may not really know what they are doing, or may make a critical mistake and overlook something.

 

I agree with the punishment.

 

She deserves it. This child was literally starved to death intentionally.

 

My contention is that she likely did not intend to deprive her child of food, and the starvation and wasting away was connected to WHAT she was trying to feed the baby.

And that she was too stubborn to see the writing on the wall. (Lots of these vegans are very stubborn and insist that their unusual specific diet plans are correct, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary)

 

I don't know, I think they could've just put her in a mental treatment facility and then prison for 7 years. And then court-ordered removal of her uterus and order that she not be allowed to take care of children again or have custody of her children.

She's guilty of this baby's death and putting her other children's health in danger. Neglect through stupidity and refusing to be able to admit her ideological beliefs about food were very wrong.
But it was due to her own craziness and stubborn false beliefs. There's no point in excessive punishment.

There are plenty of more women like her out there, it's just that those babies do not die and their children's health problems are not that extreme.

It's her fault, of course, but I suspect that she was not intentionally trying to harm her children or put their health in danger. That is not what she set out to do or wanted.

Maybe they could also put her on a meat-based diet for a year as punishment. (That really would be punishment for a vegan)
Maybe some sort of public humiliation punishment too, like was done in older days, to help get the message across to the rest of the vegan community.
Life in prison seems really harsh and unnecessary.