Moral Dilemma B.

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How should men react to Ms. Cain's accusations?

  1. With remorse, shame, and repentance

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  2. With skepticism

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  3. Remind Ms. Cain of her own shortcomings

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    This moral dilemma is somewhat similar to Moral Dilemma A. The only difference is the gender and social position of the primary character.


    Ms. Cain is very similar to many Social Justice Warriors who are common in all Respectable Publications and on all Social Media platforms. She claims that all men are pigs complicit in Sexism. Ms. Cain claims that good men or "real men" would accept their faults and would work hard to make amends. Only the worst men would deny being complicit in Sexism, Opression, etc.


    To a degree, Ms. Cain's accusations are valid. Many men are guilty of telling or listening to sexist jokes. Some men are guilty of being entitled playboys. Some men hold sexist beliefs. All men are guilty of some form of Microaggressions.


    One more fact about Ms. Cain is that she had two abortions. She is not ashamed of them and she mentioned them on Social Media.
     
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  2. FoxHastings

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    Who TF is Ms. Cain?

    Who gives a crap what she thinks?

    What TF difference does it make if she had abortions



    WHY TF is this in the Abortion Forum....it's comments on men..... do they have abortions?????
     
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  3. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Abortion should not be a legal issue, but it should be a moral issue.

    My point is that someone who has acted unethically should not be seen as an ethical guide to others.
     
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    You're stating an opinion. All opinions aren't the same. That's why they make vanilla and chocolate.
     
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  5. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    My point is that someone who had committed a severe breach of Ethics should not be seen as an authority to lecture others on minor breaches of Ethics.

    A major breach of Ethics of which many SJWs are guilty is murder of unborn children.

    Minor breaches of Ethics for which SJWs shame others is listening to sexist jokes, being "complicit" in some issue, etc.
     
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    No fetuses are murdered.
     
  7. CCitizen

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    Legally no.

    Ethically, many people view abortion as murder.
     
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    Good for them. They would be wrong though.
     
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  9. CCitizen

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    This is your opinion. I guess there are irreconcilable differences.

    I do not support banning abortion. But someone who sees herself morally superior to others should be reminded of her unborn victim/victims.
     
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    Why? Who cares?

    If you're minding your own business you won't be minding hers...a good thought...
     
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    Most laws revolve around morality. We collectively decide what is right, what is wrong, what conduct is acceptable and what conduct is not, then we pass laws designed to encourage behavior to induce acceptable conduct and discourage unacceptable conduct. There is no way for government not to take a stance on allowing or disallowing abortion and that stance will be defined /enshrined in statute and based partially on a moral stance. The questions are which stances and which governments are going to do the enshrining.
     
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    Whose "morals" ? Morals vary from person to person and time to time ……

    Laws are made to prevent society from sinking into chaos....
     
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    Good, then you would agree that it is not necessarily "immoral" to punish the woman for doing something which someone else considers immoral.

    Pharaoh's slaughter of Israelite babies did not result in that society sinking into chaos.
    Herod later slaughtered all the 2-year-olds around Bethlehem, under the Roman Empire, and no one batted an eye.

    “If a mother can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me? There is nothing in between.”
    - Mother Teresa
     
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    A woman who is pregnant is minding the business of two.

    When she eats, she is eating for two.
    When she tries to stay healthy, she is staying healthy for two.

    If I am walking through the park, late at night, and I see a serial killer stabbing a woman to death, should I just "mind my own business"?
     
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    It isn't an opinion. It is a fact that abortion is not murder.

    I am fairly ambivalent about abortion and it's legality personally. I think it should be legal but having no skin in the game, it isn't quite the priority. I do however support it because it is a constitutional right.
     
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    So do legislatures and statutes vary in complexion through time! We pick new ones to reflect changing morals values and alter priorities. What a coincidence! When asking who's morals, at least the conventional answer is the voters! 'Public' policy is largely about making sure society's morals are adequately represented in government action enshrined in statute and administrative law. The decision not to regulate specific behavior is nothing more than an governmental expression of a perceived stance that liberty itself breeds a growth in a more moral result than micromanaging choice.
     
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    When you say "it is not murder", could you clarify, are you referring to ethically or legally?
     
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    What severe breach of ethics was done?
    Who defines ethics?
    Who defines severe?
     
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    Legally.
     
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    Which option for: 'She's entitled to her opinion, and I'm entitled to mine- that she's nuts'?
     
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    So you believe "there's no such thing as murder" when it comes to ethically and morally?
     
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    If an SJW minds my business, then I should mind hers.
     
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    Most religious people do view abortion as unethical.
     
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    Murder is a legal term. And then there are varying degrees of murder, legally speaking.
     
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    This isn't a religious forum, this is an abortion forum, isn't it?

    Are you religious?
     
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