Boy, it must be frustrating for you to have to keep asking for answers to questions. I can't imagine what it's like, because your kind always answer properly and debate with integrity and accuracy. See the second link in my signature - link me to where you have answered it.
Just watch the beginning of the video. Neil and Buzz both stand upright much of the time and even tilt backward on occasion - and there are many other examples of this in the Apollo record - unlike your "Where's Waldo's Bootprint" quest! Physics of the Moon Walk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AerNjmLqVe0
Nowhere in that video do they stand upright. They are 1 second pictures spliced together. Isolate one and paste it here. Don't you just hate this opinion based bullcrap non evidence? The scientific method involves assessing the terrain, finding a very close center of gravity and using a source that can be measured to an accurate degree. Your useless video has done none if this and you yourself are just yanking people's chains with your pure evasive biased opinion. The slam dunk posts I have made are just getting ignored, hence the new thread.
Here are a few images from the Apollo 11 video that was at the start of the "Physics of the Moon Walk" video: It is pretty obvious that the astronauts are in an upright position... If the astronauts were really on the moon they would look like this:
Yeah obvious, until you look at the view from the other angle and we see that it's on a slope, as is the Lunar Module! That's the trouble with you people. "It looks like" is always accurate isn't it. Now try again and find me one where they are standing upright! [video=youtube;cVAGjO2dtUA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVAGjO2dtUA[/video] Bullcrap. It depends what the terrain is and how the mass is distributed on the pack on their back. What steps have you taken to determine where the COG is? None. What steps have you taken to determine the terrain? None. What steps have you taken to see if the camera is on a level plane? None. Pretty standard hoaxer procedure - useless.
I wish to correct the above statement. I have received a couple of emails pointing out that the PLSS was heavier at the top to allow for better weight distribution with a very gentle bend. This makes sense since lower down it would alter the COG to further back and up on the body. As for the crazy last picture from Descartes:- http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/~/media...nian-lion/sh130030059.jpg?mh=447&mw=980&thn=0 There are numerous examples where standing almost upright doesn't cause somebody to topple over. In addition, within the spacesuit there is a little "wiggle" room, with a gentle lean forward not necessarily being easy to see from suit movement.
A "yes" or "no" will suffice... Why do you keep trying to evade this question? Maybe because it does not matter what shade of gray anybody sees - the laws of physics dictate the answer here...
I can share your frustration. I have been trying to get simple honest answers to numerous stuff for years. Now it's more than one person it is even more annoying. Take for instance simple questions like being able to see tread patterns or trains moving snow on platforms or whether hoax film makers are corrupt. What do you think? It's even more frustrating when you disprove points like daft bent over double pictures of people with backpacks as the norm and it gets ignored. Even showing pictures of marines with heavy backpacks almost vertical is ignored.
In the following video we see a man carrying a 25kg bag on his back AND he is on a slope (stairs) AND we see that he is significantly bent forward to keep his COG over his BOS - which is what we would also expect from the Apollo astronauts. Your slope theory does not look like it is working here either... Man Carrying Heavy Load https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0BXHUaiN5k
Ridiculous! You haven't any idea what you are talking about and now resort to posting irrelevant videos. The man is on Earth and feels the weight more. He has his own full Earth weight. On a slope when walking up it is much easier to lean forward. If he stopped though, it would be no problem to stand upright. I wonder what thought process goes through your head when you make one of your posts, it seems not much of any logic or application. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYYYNu3sJJM You lost this argument the moment you relied on an inept youtube video and failed to come up with any actual examples. You are still arguing side issues and getting them wrong as well.
Do you really think that he can stand upright just because he stops? You are not making much sense here...
I am making perfect sense. You are the one struggling with obvious stuff here. Did you watch the marines with heavy backpacks 60lb walking upright? Or does that confuse you? That video of yours was on steps btw, didn't you notice!
First of all, we don't know the actual weight of the backpack in your marine video - but ok, they say it is 60 lbs. We see the girl walking with the backpack from the front but not from the side. How do we judge the angle she is leaning at? Also, the girl is short and has a low center of gravity to begin with which would make it more difficult to judge the angle. All that being said, however, we do have one instance of a side view of the girl - and here it is: I challenge anyone to strap a 60lb bag to their back, let alone a 150lb PLSS/OPS - and try to stand up straight - let alone prance about in a straight up position - or jump around like a kangaroo like we see in the Apollo videos... Of course, I know that the weight on the moon is less - but it is does not matter what the weight is - what matters is the distribution of the weight. A person would have to be very careful, either on the earth or moon, especially in such a top-heavy situation, not to lose balance and topple over backwards! Nice try - but no cigar! I think I clearly mentioned that.
So we don't know the weight, but we do know the weight. I find your ability to watch something so simple a little poor. How very deceptive of you. Literally in the first few seconds we see her standing upright before she starts to run. It is only as she turns to her left that we see her angle forward as one would expect. At 7 seconds we see heavy weights being loaded! At 11 seconds we see a marine marching perfectly upright. At 14 seconds we see him running reasonably upright. At 17 seconds he walks past the camera upright. At 35 seconds she stands upright!! Regardless of the new system which works during motion, she has 60lbs on her back when stationary. At 2:34 she is clearly standing upright with a 60lb backpack behind her. So much is wrong with that statement it beggars belief. Firstly you can "challenge" all you want, but I just showed a video with that very thing. Secondly the PLSS/OPS pack was worn on the Moon and is 125lbs not 150lbs. Next, when adjusted for lunar gravity it becomes 21lbs!! Your next point is the ignorant appeal to incredulity. They don't "prance about in a straight up position" at any time, they jump like kangaroos on a couple of instances but are hopping leaning forward. Incidentally I did a video showing perfect lunar gravity that transfers to Earth gravity at 245% speed and consequently looks ridiculous. Anyone who claims wires were used on this has ignored where the astronauts swap around uphill - more importantly and demonstrably there is no transfer of COG as the support takes up and releases the weight - the motion is fluid and smooth. Both of them come down the hill quickly and at lunar freefall speed:- [video=youtube;joEVnTSLDEA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joEVnTSLDEA[/video] The human musculature allows for horizontally straining effort to counteract balance with just a small off vertical adjustment. Your observation is ridiculous given the small weight they would experience. Yet again you demonstrate a level of knowledge that is woefully short and blundering away on a side argument whilst failing to provide legitimate examples of the actual thing you are suggesting! Apollo 11 was an angled camera in the LM looking down and with terrain that was not flat. In addition it used snapshots instead of moving pictures and is ludicrously inconclusive as a result.
The problem we are having here is that you do not understand the laws of physics. Prove that you understand physics and answer the above question. A "yes" or "no" will suffice...
The problem we are having is that you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. You keep coming back to a question that has no bearing on what the visual record shows. At no time does an astronaut do what you claim. There are dozens of instances where they fall over, but none where they move upright. I don't care one iota whether you find it frustrating with me not answering your dumb question. You should try dealing with hoax believers who specialise in evasion. Literally dozens of points have been made that you have avoided and you have the temerity to complain about insignificant hogwash. How about this. You ante up wth some integrity and some proper answers and maybe I will answer your irrelevant and obvious question! You sidestepped my entire post(and many others) and that is a very cowardly way to debate.
Here is another question: How long do you think a person could jump on a trampoline with a 60lb bag strapped to their back before they flip over backwards onto their noggin?
Not long - they don't have the ability to compensate when in the air. On the Moon jumping up without leaning forward does this:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16D0hmLt-S0
I misread your post. Jumping while upright, not long, indefinitely if they maintain their center of gravity with a gentle forwards bend.
So, you think that putting more weight at the top of the PLSS is a good idea? And this makes sense because lower down it would alter the COG to further back and up on the body? ??? You never did take a course in Physics, did you?
They also took the other step of making the heavier parts closest to the body. That should say further back and ALSO up on the body. As I said above, you have no idea what you are talking about. You can't even use google to ensure you don't look foolish.
Challenge accepted. Here's a buddy with his son piggybacked. He is 15 and weighs 120lbs. I asked him to stand upright and tell me how his balance felt. He said he had to use quite a bit of muscular strain to hold his body rigid to offset the pull but could manage it reasonably comfortably. You ignored all the video evidence and I expect you will ignore this. If you really want to get up to speed, try it yourself with someone on your back. A human is not a static object and as I said previously can compensate the backward pull with muscular exertion. http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/five-factors-determine-stability-and-mobility "Imagine that you drop a plumb line (i.e., a string with a weight on the end) straight down from your center of gravity. That line is referred to as the vertical projection, or projection, of your center of gravity within the base of support. If the projection moves outside the base of support, you become very unstable and will fall without corrective muscle action. " Read this and report back! http://www.aaronswansonpt.com/basic-biomechanics-gravity/
Once again, you like to compare apples with oranges. Piggyback is not the same thing as a sack tied to your back. When someone is piggyback, their legs are in front of the person - this helps to offset the weight. If you watch someone being piggyback, you will notice that the angle of the person's back is very much forward unlike the PLSS/OPS that we see in many Apollo examples as completely vertical or even back tilted in some cases. Even though the physics of the piggyback helps to offset the weight of the rider - we still see a pronounced forward lean such as in this video: Piggy Back race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5QZOhbyC28 Nice try - but no cigar!
Only half his leg is offsetting his weight. His upper leg and buttocks are on the opposite side!. His torso and head are behind my buddy and you are just plain wrong. You ignored both citations showing where the problem lies in this debate. You have no understanding of human mechanics. Completely irrelevant(but as the guy walks back he is way more upright than when running). You said that one couldn't stand upright with 60lbs on their back. Yes you can, I just proved it with marine videos a personal picture and two citations. Meanwhile you are withholding toy cigars and playing the comedic poster. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about. If you want to offset weight, how does a 78lb spacesuit work for you, or arms forward position. Your laborious and evasive posting is getting irritating now, you keep digging a hole and making no attempt to provide any proof that the astronauts broke any laws of physics. Pretty standard for hoax believers. Answer the rebuttal points raised in the last few posts!
