More Than Half A Million People: America’s Homelessness Crisis Is Rapidly Exploding On Both Coasts

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  1. EarthSky

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    Sorry, I misquoted. That was 93.7 million can be considered low income and the article I quoted was outdated.

    Sloppy on my part.
     
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    What speaker? This is a right-wing trope. Almost no one wants to be homeless and in places like Portugal where they have moved to a housing first policy they are coming close to solving the problem entirely.

    You are trying to pretend that there is not an affordable housing crisis or that working poor and minorities have equal access to housing:

    "There is not a single state in the U.S. where a minimum wage employee working full-time can reasonably afford a one-bedroom apartment at the fair market rent. While 29 states, plus the District of Columbia, have taken steps to raise the minimum wage above the federal rate of $7.25 per hour, affordable housing remains out of reach for the country's low-income workers.

    It's even more stunning, however, when you consider that even the highest state-level minimum wage rates are significantly lower than what it takes to afford basic housing in the U.S. (In Washington, the state minimum wage is $9.47 per hour).

    The affordable housing crisis is a multifaceted ordeal. Demand for affordable housing is on the rise, but so is the cost of housing units in metropolitan areas across the country. Yet wage growth is stagnant and low-income jobs are limited, according to data from the HUD, the U.S. Census Bureau, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and the Department of Labor."


    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-has-an-affordable-housing-crisis-2016-1

    It is typical of right-wing meme to blame the homeless for their own homelessness and the poor for poverty.

    Some of Portland's struggles with the problem:

    "… Homelessness is not a fixed group of people who’ve been homeless for 20 years. We have people coming into homelessness, and people coming out of homelessness, or being helped out of homelessness in many cases. There are new homeless people pouring into that situation at all times. Why are they pouring in? It’s a combination of all kinds of factors, income inequality, the erosion of the middle class, the fact that people don’t have a couple months’ rent in savings for when things go badly, mental health problems, substance abuse problems, the fact that if you come out of the criminal justice system, you have a really, really hard time getting a job. All of those things conspire to create more new homeless people."

    https://www.oregonlive.com/portland-homeless/reaction.html

    https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2018/08/knute_buehler_a_plan_to_end_or.html
     
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    First of all, there are very few poor in this country. There are people without wealth but poor is an overused word. If you go into these so called "poor" areas, you will find people with smart phones, jewelry, cars, nice clothes, designer shoes, processed hair, tattoos, alcohol, drugs, cigarettes and dozens of other things that "poor" people can not afford. These people have disposable income. If they choose to spend it on crack instead of an apartment, that is on them.

    There are always going to be poor people and some places have extremely high property values. If you think it is a failure of society because a high school dropout can not afford a home in places like Seattle, San Francisco or DC, you need to get a clue. The housing market is buyer driven. If the public was unable to afford the price of the homes available they would be cheaper. Our government spends hundreds of billions annually assisting the poor have a better living standard. There are food banks all over the place too.

    I work with several charities that offer help to people in need. I know first hand that the majority of people in this position are there because of choices they have made. To infer otherwise just shows you lack awareness. I challenge you to go to one of these homeless sites. You will find discarded syringes and empty alcohol bottles laying everywhere. I also know you can not help people who do not want help.
     
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    Lets ignore these americans and support 12,000 illegals...because that makes sense!
     
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    The connecting points of homelessness are: Illegals and employment of illegals, national and personal debt, rising devaluing of Federal reserve notes, state and national policies that drive the previously mentioned points. I may expound later. . .
     
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    Liberal failed policies and uncontrolled borders and immigration both legal and illegal, over population, high taxes like in California and liberals restrictions on new home constructions in blue states = homeless Americans.

    And American homeless have to compete for the limited resources with immigrants and illegal aliens.

    I was looking at the homeless survey for one city just east of Pasadena, California (population 37,000)
    24 homeless living on the streets.
    50 homeless living out of their cars or in RV's.

    For the later, the high cost of housing is why they are living in their vehicles.
     
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    Interesting that you justify your opinion by quoting Marx
     
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    Oh boy a new version of the projects that turned into crime zones.
     
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    I can quote Karl Marx opining on Abraham Lincoln and the North's invasion of the South.
    Karl Marx approved of the "War Between the States."
    Marxist always want to divide society.
    Kinda like Alinskyism, agitate, cause trouble and divide society.
    It's what Barack Obama does.

    I think the abolitionist were the first commies in America.
     
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    The perfect storm to destroy a nation is immorality and destruction of the family unit.
    Women no longer demand respect for their bodies and men no longer respect the women.
    The children of broken homes have no guidance.
    Add to this A.I. aka artificial intelegence replacing humans in our offices and factories and apathy of the nations people.
    I can remember when their was a church on every corner and black and white families were all dressed up in their Sunday best women and men in hats with children in tow.
    Then came the " sexual revolution and drugs and " it it feels good do it mentality". Our poor back then had something they don't have now to get them through it and prepare their kids for a better future. But the communist took over our places of learning and economy.
    JUST MY OPINION of course of what I have witnessed over past 60 years.
     
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    Just one of the downfalls of the new age that got too smart for its britches.
    Workers in 1960s,,


    Workers in the 1990s ,robots aka A.I.

     
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    And leaving people on the streets isn't a crime zone in and of it's self? To say nothing of the sanitary issues. At least the cost to the public would be utilities, the buildings already exist, usually away from residential areas, so it's not in most people's 'back yards'.

    Worse things can and do and will happen. You might need to adjust to the idea.

    There was a time I truly enjoyed walking the streets of San Francisco. Not so much at the moment.
     
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    We managed to survive that an then came the taking control of our money in 1913.
    Fact is all empires fall and basically for the same reasons.

    "You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality." Ayn Rand.

    " Neither a brave man or a wise man lays down on the tracks for the train of the future to run over him". Parequote, forgot who said it.
     
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    I do believe that President Trump looks at the USA debt differently than most of us do.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...1-prepare-mr-trump-for-the-presidency.529566/


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
    From some of his statements during the campaign I believe he knows about the information in this article that 95% or more of Americans don't seem to be aware of:

    https://www.michaeljournal.org/articles/politics/item/abraham-lincoln-and-john-f-kennedy

     
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    Stop trying to suggest rational solutions! :icon_fork:
     
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    None of that has anything to do with the personal failure (to adapt to a changing world) of the homeless.

    And you spend as much or as little as you want on housing .. it's your choice. If you want housing as a fundamental right, join a commune and work 100 hours a week in the cabbage fields in exchange for your room and board. You cannot have it both ways. You either want the freedoms that mean self-determination, or you don't.
     
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    At least were doing better than Russia.

    5 million?!?!?! Wow!

    http://euromaidanpress.com/2017/07/...t-the-64000-rosstat-reports-euromaidan-press/
     
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    Try Bangladesh. AND they don't become addicts.
     
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    You first. Enjoy sewing 20 hours a day.
     
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    It really, absolutely, isn't. Meddling in their freely made choices is not on. People should mind their own damned business.
     
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    1000%
     
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    Exactly my point. They have no options (unlike Americans), yet they remain hard working and clean living.
     
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    So adapt. You know the alternative.
     
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    Same unemployment rate as here....what in the world....are you even a patriot?
     
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    This is because Marx is a very intelligent person. If you create labor, like "Capital", I will quote you.
     
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