More Voters Now Want Merit-Based Immigration, Not Family-Based

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Sharpie, Jul 4, 2018.

  1. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Why the shift in thinking from family-based immigration to merit-based immigration?

    I believe it is the natural outcome of a variety of climates in our society now:
    • An ever-steady disintegration of family unity, family values, and/or the value of traditional family structures has undermined the idea that families need to be kept together.
    • Citizens are physically feeling the pinch. Their communities are overrun with non-assimilating foreigners, their taxes are rising to support the increased burdens on social services, the quality of public schools has declined, prices for housing have risen.
    • Citizens feel overcrowding and are concluding there are enough people in their community. The more that crowd in, the lower the standards, the lower the cleanliness, and the lower the personal safety and security.
    Merit-based immigration will address all those issues. People will be coming into the country as contributors to the energy of prosperity, not as economic drags.
     
    RichT2705, Libby, Lil Mike and 4 others like this.
  2. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Here are questions that were asked in the Rasmussen poll:

    National Survey of 1,000 U.S. Likely Voters
    Conducted April 3-4, 2016
    By Rasmussen Reports


    1* Suppose a woman enters the United States as an illegal immigrant and gives birth to a child in the United States. Should that child automatically become a citizen of the United States?

    2* Should illegal immigrants who have American-born children be exempt from deportation?

    3* The majority of immigrant visas awarded in the United States are based on a family relationship. A proposal has been made to award visas instead on the level of skills a potential immigrant brings to this country. Do you favor moving to a merit-based system for legal immigration or prefer to keep the existing family-based system?

    NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/-3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence


    I find it highlights an irony in the Left: they have spent decades attacking or at least eschewing family values, but suddenly raise it as the pinnacle of concerns when it comes to immigration.
     
    RichT2705 likes this.
  3. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2016
    Messages:
    23,170
    Likes Received:
    16,477
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Democratic leadership has no idea what their constituency wants, nor do they care. Virtue signaling is what it all boils down to. Create a "feel good" moment despite the devastating effects down the road. Literally everything the Dems "improve" upon by making it "more inclusive" "more diverse" "more compasisonate" causes hardship and strife. Dems are doing everthing they can to devalue US citizenship. Why should US citizens pay US income taxes if the revenues aren't used to the exclusive benefit of American citizens?
     
  4. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,172
    Likes Received:
    20,953
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The number one question that should be asked of every Congressman. It's not a sin to be a nativist, it should be the ideal representation of this(or any) country. I hope the Mexican President makes Mexico great again and thus actually works to not enable the flow outside of Mexico.

    I hope the same for all of the other countries for the world.
     
    Sharpie and PrincipleInvestment like this.
  5. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2008
    Messages:
    55,099
    Likes Received:
    13,310
    Trophy Points:
    113
    About time....
     
    Sharpie and PrincipleInvestment like this.
  6. Matt84

    Matt84 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2015
    Messages:
    5,896
    Likes Received:
    2,472
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How so? This should be good.
     
  7. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Doen't that fall under the category of "taxation without representation"? Those non-citizens who are the recipients of those benefits get more say in how programs should be handled than the people funding the programs.

    Sam Adams, in 1776, may have predicted where we are today when he said, "When the spirit of liberty which now animates our hearts and gives success to our arms is extinct, our numbers will accelerate our ruin, and render us easier victims to tyranny."
     
    PrincipleInvestment likes this.
  8. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,050
    Likes Received:
    51,754
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yup. They have been blitzing us with crap and everyone is seeing through it, even the "minorities."

    Prof claims Hispanic students perpetuate ‘colorblind racism.’

    Maria Isabel Ayala interviewed 50 Latino(a) students at Midwestern University, and was dismayed to find that they attribute their success to hard work and self-reliance while shunning affirmative action!


     
    AmericanNationalist and Sharpie like this.
  9. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    28,121
    Likes Received:
    19,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Merit based? That's insanity. It's much better to have a random lottery and play Russian Roulette with immigration. And as an added bonus, we get dozens of their closest relatives from various terrorist hotspots around the world.
     
    Stonewall Jackson and Sharpie like this.
  10. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2015
    Messages:
    28,121
    Likes Received:
    19,405
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Libs have mocked family values for decades. It's part of their DNA to ridicule anything associated with "traditional America".

    But when it comes to legal and illegal immigration and the effort to shove as many brown people as they can down our throats, libs play the "family values" card oh so well.
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2018
    Sharpie likes this.
  11. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    If they were consistent in a newfound family matters platform, and back that with smart and logical policies that could make that happen, they might actually turn their failures around.
    It is incongruous, however, with their premiere focus on abortion and tranny potties.
     
  12. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    LOL!
    I know you have befuddled some on this forum, but I understand irony.
     
  13. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I love it. But it makes perfect sense doesn't it?
    Why would people who struggle to escape the corruption of Mexico, work to attain citizenship or legal residency, want to continue the same victimhood experienced in the old country by having to support illegals?
     
    Zorro likes this.
  14. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2018
    Messages:
    21,436
    Likes Received:
    12,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Until 1924 anyone who managed to reach the shores of the USA could become a citizen all you needed was your name on the passenger list of a ship that docked here.Thats why Donald Drumpfs ancestor who had fled his native country rather than be inducted into military service came here and was allowed in.We had no real criteria for citizenship prior to 1924.
     
  15. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,050
    Likes Received:
    51,754
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Or, run from Central America to escape MS-13 and then have our government let them in by the truckload and settle MS-13 gang members in your kid's school?
     
    Sharpie likes this.
  16. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,050
    Likes Received:
    51,754
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh horse ****.

    Immigrants were subject to physical and mental exams to ensure they were fit for admittance to the United States.

    Upon arrival at Ellis Island, immigrants were ushered into a room called the Great Hall and paraded before a series of medical officers for physical inspection. Those whom the doctors deemed physically or mentally deficient were marked with chalk and taken away for additional screening. Questionable candidates were forced to submit to more detailed questioning and medical exams, and any signs of contagious disease, poor physique, feeblemindedness or insanity could see an immigrant denied admittance on the grounds that they were likely to become a ward of the state. In later years, doctors at Ellis Island even devised puzzles and memory tests to ensure that certain immigrants were intelligent enough to find work. New arrivals could also face rejection if they were anarchists, had a criminal record or showed signs of low moral character.

    [​IMG]

    Likely wouldn't have been allowed in.
     
    Stonewall Jackson likes this.
  17. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,623
    Likes Received:
    22,931
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Where did you get that from?
     
  18. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2008
    Messages:
    55,099
    Likes Received:
    13,310
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Americans are SICK OF THE BULLSHIT...which they will prove, AGAIN, in November...
     
  19. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2018
    Messages:
    21,436
    Likes Received:
    12,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Read the history of Ellis Island,ships unloaded in Manhattan because Ellis Island could not accommodate large ships.ONLY STEERAGE PASSENGERS (lower class) were sent to Ellis Island for mental or physical examination.More affluent passengers were allowed to enter the USA with no examination.Steerage passengers who were able to offer a $1 or $2 bribe to the security were also allowed to enter directly.From 1892 through 1954 over 12 MILLION immigrants passed through Ellis Island,less than 2% were rejected from U.S. entry and eligibility to become citizens.
     
  20. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2008
    Messages:
    55,099
    Likes Received:
    13,310
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And? It is not now 1892 -1954, is it? We now have over 300 million people here.
     
    Stonewall Jackson likes this.
  21. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,623
    Likes Received:
    22,931
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There were several immigration laws prior to 1924 that limited immigration and citizenship. You guys on the left are really ill informed.
     
    Sharpie likes this.
  22. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    You made a good point. If someone is seeking amnesty from criminals, they aren't getting much protection in sanctuary cities, are they?
     
    Zorro likes this.
  23. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    77,050
    Likes Received:
    51,754
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not a bit. And you can bet they're scared to death.
     
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2018
    Sharpie likes this.
  24. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    26,510
    Likes Received:
    7,496
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The families being separated at the border are not immigrants. They are refugees.
     
  25. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2015
    Messages:
    4,735
    Likes Received:
    2,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Cut the crap.
    They are invaders.
     

Share This Page