Mother shoots son because he wanted to put her in a nursing home

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-04/92-year-old-us-woman-shot-her-son-over-care-home-plans/9941242

Although this sounds more like just a determined old lady it does bring up the issue of guns and dementia

 

The article does not appear to make any mention of dementia, or any other condition that would affect the mental capacity of a given individual. By what limited accounts are available in the article, the woman in question appears to be of reasonably sound mind, and mentally competent enough to stand trial and assist in her own defense on the charge of murder. Considering various reports of the poor quality of care facilities for elderly individuals in the united states, she and her defense attorney may possibly be able to argue it was a matter of self defense.

Even if she is found guilty of charges, the quality of care provided in prison would likely still be better in terms of quality than that in most elderly care facilities.

 

No and I said that but it does open the gate

Self defence? Holy adult diapers Batman How bad ARE your nursing homes in the USA?

 

How though? Such is not understood on the part of myself, as to how this incident would lead to such discussions.

It is no exaggeration to state that the conditions inside of nursing homes in the united states qualify as horrible. Abuse and neglect run rampant, committed by staff that are underpaid for their work and quite angry at what said work entails, in providing care to those whose family can no longer provide the care themselves, or who simply no longer have any interest.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92689&page=1

http://www.nursinghomeabuseguide.org/nursing-home-abuse-statistics/

• Between 1999 and 2001, almost one-third of all nursing home facilities were cited for violations of federal standards that could cause harm, or that did harm elderly residents of those facilities;
• Nearly 10% of those homes had violations that posed a risk of serious injury or death, or that did cause deaths of elderly residents;
• More than 40% of nursing home residents have reported abuse, and more than 90% report that they or another resident of the facility have been neglected;
• Research from 2010 indicates that up to half of all nursing home attendants have admitted abusing or neglecting elderly patients;
• More than half of all Certified Nursing Assistants (CAN’s) in elder care facilities have admitted verbally abusing, yelling at, and using foul language with elderly residents of care facilities.

As said, the quality of care that would be provided in prison would likely be better than whatever quality of care would be provided in a nursing home facility. The woman in question may very well have known what she was doing from the beginning, and did so deliberately.

 

This topic hits home. We put my FIL in a nursing home last week. He has Alzheimer’s and has recently required around the clock care that we cannot provide in house. 3 years ago, when he was diagnosed, he got out all of his guns and let his grandkids, oldest first, pick a gun to have. The nursing staff take good care of him and someone in the family visits every day to keep the nurses on their toes. We bought him a nice TV and we took him out to a family reunion yesterday. I’m not sure how much longer that will happen, but he seems to be pretty happy. He will be 89 in 2 weeks.

I was talking on the phone with his younger brother the other day. He said that if he had to go to a nursing home, they’d better not let him get to a gun because he would shoot him self. I’m torn about telling his sons. It’s not like he threatened someone else and he is relatively healthy for an 84 year old.

On the other hand, it could be dangerous for them and I plan to tell his son when I see him next. My cousin had to find his stepdad after suicide last year. My cousin is a police investigator and BATFE agent, but you know it had to be hard on him.

 

It is certainly an interesting question that must be addressed. If the individual in question has no desire to go to a nursing home and would rather end their own existence, should their best interest be looked after since they are the ones who will be subjected to the conditions of the nursing home for an indeterminate amount of time, or the best interests of the family members who may have to find the aftermath of the suicide and deal with it themselves? Which party is in need of the greater degree of consideration?

 

This is family matter, and ultimately a family responsibility no reason to infringe on the rights of every American as our foreign correspondent is suggesting...

 

tough choice

 

Bowerbird? Are you there?

The matter pertaining to how this incident would open discussion pertaining to firearms and dementia is not understood on the part of myself. What is the connection that would qualify such a discussion as being relevant?

 

Arizona, Alaska, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming have no gun laws at all.

They are free.

Totally free.

The most free people in the world.

 

I love your kitty avatar !!!

 

My mom fought and fought my sister about putting her (my mom) into a home for Alzheimers victims at age 90.

At some point you need to accept that you have gone crazy.

Has nothing to do with guns though.

Totally unrelated.

 

We already have laws in the USA that deal with mental impairment.

You go to a county judge and he decides.

This gives the adult kids power of attorney.

Don't need any new laws on this.

Already got plenty.

 

I remeber reading a story about an American guy. Very pro 2nd but his father was developing dementia and most days was still capable and with it enough to know he did not want to give up his guns then there would be times when his father was a danger to everyine

 

Where am I suggesting that?

 

Just more proof that old women are the worst of humanity. For every nice grandma there are a hundred old biddies.

 

Old age is not kind.

Eventually you become compelled to give up everything even your memories.

My guns will eventually go to my nephew in law. Of all my family group he is the only hunter.

In the meantime I make a living currently in semi retirement with 2 of my guns -- my 45ACP and my 12 gauge.

I'm so glad I do NOT live in Australia.

 

Neither is youth, given the death toll.

 

Death is ultimately an inevitability.

 

I was referring to youth. I fear you knew that!

 

And what is being proposed for addressing the violent youth in the united states, who have demonstrated that they will murder someone over a pair of shoes?

 

Your rant doesn't interest me. Get back to me when you can refer to the evidence.

 

As nothing relating to "evidence" has actually been cited by yourself, there is little need to present it to counter the nonsense being presented in substitution for evidence.

 

You think all evidence isn't evidence because it disagrees with your ideology. Pathetic

 

What is presented as being evidence on the part of yourself, is nothing more than the opinions of individuals trying to hide behind their credentials in an effort to make their opinions appear more credible than the opinions of anyone else who would disagree with them.