Mueller report to be revealed soon!

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The head of the Justice Department said Monday that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s Russia investigation is nearing an end.

    Finally!

    “I have been fully briefed on the investigation and I look forward to Director Mueller delivering the final report. I am comfortable that the decisions that were made are going to be reviewed. . . . Right now, you know, the investigation is, I think, close to being completed,” the acting attorney general Matthew G. Whitaker stated.

    The Washington Post reports, "Whitaker did not define what he meant by “close,” and even if he is correct that Mueller is nearly done with his work, Whitaker may leave the Justice Department before it is complete. The Senate is expected to vote to confirm attorney general nominee William P. Barr next month, and his arrival would likely mean the departure of Whitaker, who previously served as chief of staff to then-attorney general Jeff Sessions."

    Hopefully, there will soon be closure on this matter. Impeachment is a political process. If the Mueller report indicates collaboration with a hostile foreign government, conspiracy, and/or obstruction of justice, no doubt Trump's lawyers will proclaim his innocence. That said, impeachment is not a trial. Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is not the standard. Guilt by virtue of substantial logic is.

    The same is true in the Senate. The President can be removed if the evidence overwhelming shows the President committed high crimes and/or misdemeanors.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The President can be removed because he prefers vanilla to chocolate ice cream.

    I am keen for a conclusion to the investigation and the release of its results.

    I've never had any desire to block or speed it up unreasonably, but clearly it's reaching its conclusion.
     
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    The Hill reports, "A bipartisan pair of senators want to require that a report from special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe, as well as from other Justice Department special counsels, is released publicly once the investigation ends.

    "Sens. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), both members of the Judiciary Committee, introduced legislation Monday that would require a Department of Justice special counsel to hand over a report to Congress once either the probe ends or in the event a special counsel is fired or resigns."

    “A Special Counsel is appointed only in very rare serious circumstances involving grave violations of public trust. The public has a right and need to know the facts of such betrayals of public trust," Blumenthal said in a statement.

    Republican Grassley stated that requiring a public report would provide "oversight of and insight into activities" of a special counsel probe.

    "I was encouraged to hear attorney general nominee William Barr place a high priority on transparency when asked at his confirmation hearing about Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation, and there’s no reason to think that Mueller won’t be allowed to finish his work," Grassley added.

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    continued, "Barr told members of the Judiciary Committee that it was his “intent” to release as much about Mueller’s findings as he can consistent with the law. But he stopped short of pledging to release the report in its entirety.

    “My goal will be to provide as much transparency as I can, consistent with the law,” Barr told lawmakers. “I can assure you that, where judgments are to be made, I will make those judgments based solely on the law and I will not let personal, political or other improper interests influence my decision.”

    "Under Justice Department guidelines, a special counsel sends a confidential report to the attorney general “explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached” during an investigation."

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...require-special-counsel-report-be-made-public

    What is Senate Majority Mitch McConnell going to do? Will he support the bill? Will he bring it to a vote? Or will he bury the bill to protect Trump?

    .Many wait with bated breath.

    Lawmakers in both parties have said they think Mueller's findings should ultimately be released to the public, and this bill may make it easier for the Justice Department to do so without facing backlash from the White House or a fight over executive privilege.

    Time to fish or cut bait, McConnell.
     
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    Hmmm...maybe released Feb 4 or 5th? I'm thinking it isn't close to closure, but it would be good timing!
     
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    If the Mueller report completely exonerates Trump, will the Dems stop their Russia-Trump investigation in the House?
     
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    The way he stuttered, stammered and perspired during his talk he gave me the impression he had no idea what he was talking about. Time will tell.
     
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    Looked like someone suffering from steroid abuse.
     
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    The Mueller investigation isn't about Trump. His charge is to investigate the Trump campaign and transition team and their links to Russia which have already been proven beyond any doubt.

    And the House will continue to investigate Trump's financial ties to Russia which are also beyond question. The only real issue is has Trump's indebtedness to Russia caused him to compromise American security.
     
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    Oh, no! Not again!!!!!!!
     
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    So if Mueller concludes there was no collusion/conspiracy between Trump or the Trump campaign with Russia, will the Dems cover the same ground with another investigation?
     
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    In his first question-and-answer session with reporters since becoming Acting Attorney General last November, Matthew Whitaker on Monday announced that Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation is “close to being completed."

    Earlier this month, Trump’s legal team pushed back on the suggestion the White House could seek to keep parts of Mueller's final report under wraps.

    “We prefer that as much of the report as possible is public,” Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani told Fox News. "We believe a selective release would be problematic.”

    Will Giuliani have to eat his words ... again?

    In this case, I hope not. Trump says he is innocent, right. This whole Russian thing is a "witch hunt," right. Then he shouldn't mind the report becoming public.

    Right?
     
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    Nope. Like I said Mueller is only investigating the campaign and transition. What really needs investigation is Trump's financial ties to Russia and if Trump has compromised America due to his financisl ties to Russia.
     
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    I support everything being made public including communications and deliberations from the Mueller team during the investigation and the public can decide for themselves.
     
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    IF!

    Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what the Justice Department does, and it is led by a Trump appointee. The report is submitted to them.

    Are you concerned about the House investigations? Trump is innocent. Isn't that right?
     
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    There are no limits to what Mueller can investigate. And he has an unlimited budget. If there was *anything* to indicate an illegal tie existed between Trump and Russia (separate from the 2016 campaign), Mueller would be on that like flies on sh-t.
     
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    And quite possibly he is. That said there are limits on the Mueller investigation. Suggest you actually read the letter appointing him and detailing exactly what he can investigate.
     
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    Pretty easy to see the alt-leftie malcontents will never be happy.
     
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    Eh, will believe it when I see it. On the chance it's true:

    The Muhrussia Trump Investigation is Dead!
    Long Live the REAL Russia Investigation! ... which can now commence.

    Stay tuned!
     
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    Bloomberg reports, "The Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said he’ll ask attorney general nominee William Barr to clarify whether he would release damaging information that Special Counsel Robert Mueller finds about President Donald Trump.

    "Chairman Lindsey Graham was pressed on the issue at a committee meeting Tuesday by Democratic Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, who questioned whether Barr would feel constrained by a Justice Department policy against releasing derogatory information about people who haven’t been charged with a crime.

    "Whitehouse of Rhode Island noted that a separate department legal opinion holds that a sitting president can’t be prosecuted. He asked whether Barr would disclose information on Trump if Mueller found evidence that Trump committed crimes but is prevented by department policy from indicting him.

    "Graham, an ally of the president, said it was a good question and said he’ll call Barr to get an answer."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ham-to-press-barr-on-releasing-mueller-report
     
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    Again? When was the first time the Mueller report was released?
     
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    That would be great timing, but don't get your hopes up.
     
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    I wondered about that, too. On orders from Trump, is Whitaker usurping Mueller's authority. I just checked. There has been no reaction from Mueller about the Whitaker statement.
     
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    Until Barr is put in place, I think we can expect a whole lot more Trump imposed dancing from this little puppet.
     
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    Good luck with impeachment! Both Andrew Jackson and Bill Clinton were impeached by the House and acquitted by the Senate, which requires 67 votes. Not gonna happen unless Mueller has something more concrete than the opposition research paper paid for by Hillary and the DNC!
     
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    It is true when Trump's fans say there is no collusion committed by Trump. Collusion is not crime. It is like saying Trump is not guilty of talking loud and bragging too much.

    It is also true that, of all the 34 indictments from the Mueller investigation, none concern collaboration with a hostile foreign government, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, or witness tampering by Trump. That is largely due to the fact that Mueller is not yet ready to show his cards and his investigators do not leak.

    However, it is true that an inordinate number of Trump's close associates have connections to Russia. These associates would include his former campaign manager, former deputy campaign manager, his former foreign affairs advisor, his former NSA, his former A.G., his former personal lawyer, and a close friend for over 30 years who was recently arrested and is being indicted today.

    Five of Trump's close associates have been found guilty or confessed to a felony and are facing jail time. Such associates would include Paul Manafort, Rich Gates, George Papadopulous, Mike Flynn, and Michael Cohen.

    Each of them were convicted of crimes related to Russia. For example, when a private citizen, in December of 2016, Flynn made a deal with Russians, undoubtedly with Trump's blessing and knowledge. The crimes involving Russia committed by Manafort and Gates are numerous and complex.

    Trump or his surrogates often claim Trump knew nothing about the crimes committed by his close associates. In some cases, that is hard to believe, but that hardly matters. Trump always got someone else to do the dirty work for him, giving him the luxury of deniability. Trump is responsible for what his campaign did. If his campaign collaborated with a hostile foreign govern, he collaborated with a hostile foreign government.
     

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