Must believe in Biblical God to be a Jew?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does a Jew need to believe in the Biblical God in order to be a Jew?

    I am a Jew, but I think the God of the Bible is a very silly anthromophorsized interpretation of the supernatural.

    My beliefs are more Deist than anything else.

    I accept there is most likely a supernatural force out there, but its not the God described in the Bible.

    Am I still a Jew?
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    Ethnically I would say yes only if you maintain certain traditions, and customs. Yet your Anti Zionism makes me seriously question you being a Jew.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    according to Jewish rules, one doesn't stop being a Jew just because they abandon Jewish rules & regulations.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    I never mentioned rules or regulations, if you do not partake in Jewish customs, tradition, or culture you lose your connection to the tribe. Yes technically one would still be viewed as a Jew, but one would hardly be one. Especially one who is an anti Zionist, that makes you not only hardly a Jew , but it makes you a hater of the Jewish people.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ones views on Zionism are irrelevent as to whether or not they are a Jew.

    this is according to Halacha.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    I am giving my opinion, the opinion of other Jews is not some form of scientific law.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Halacha governs Jewish theological rules & regulations.

    According to Halacha, ones views on Zionism are irrelevent as to whether one remains a Jew.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    I thought you did not care about theological perspective.... you are being disingenuous with your criteria.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i didn't say I care about it, Im only stating the rules.

    and the rules don't care about Zionism.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    That is one set of rules, and they only govern theological rules, since you said you do not believe in Judaism you are not subject to them. Thus though luck buddy.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there is only ONE set of rules in Judaism, and that is Halacha.

    they are the only rules that matter.

    and they say Zionism has nothing to do with ones identity as a Jew.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    So you are answering your own question, one has to be a follower of judaism to be a jew.. nice playing with you, too easy.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    thats not what Halacha says
     
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    Many Atheists come from the Jewish culture they respect education and learning and well its dangerous trying to argue the Torah is true if one believes in the text AND also look at it critically using reason. But their heritage is still a Jewish person that doesn't change its not a religion its a culture and racial background which has a strong religious tradition the Amish in a way are the same.
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Whether or not you are a Jew depends on whether or not the definition of Jew fits on you. What the definition is depends on the context, for instance, one can be an ethnical Jew or a religious Jew (or both, or neither). It can also be argued that one can be a cultural Jew. Whether or not you are a Jew depends on the context. Whenever someone tries to figure out whether or not you are Jewish without the context, they risk misunderstanding what you tell them unless you specify which contexts you are referring to.

    While it's nice to have broad brush categories to fit people (including oneself) in, if you're not careful, people will get the wrong idea.
     
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    Well yeah.
    Of course.

    You are better ff that the other Jews who are:

    1) Secular Jews and do not believe in a God of any kind

    2) Orthodox Jews who ignore that God in the Bible is actually Reality, itself.

    3) Reformed Jews who believe in God but intentionally ignore any rules he set down.

    4) Conservative Jews who have religious stuff in their homes and say they are Jewish.

    So you believe God is deist.
    What's that?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    look it up
     
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    So one does not need a Jewish mother or a Jewish Y-chromosome either?
     
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    "deism:
    belief in the existence of a God on the evidence of reason and nature only, with rejection of supernatural revelation (distinguished from theism). belief in a God who created the world but has since remained indifferent to it."

    I believe in a God on the evidence of reason and nature of the universe.
    I see the "supernatural" as things people didn't know how to explain back then.
    I believe that God created the world, and he doesn't care if people adapt to it or not, because they can just extinct otherwise.

    Am I a deist?
     
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    Judaism as an ethnic and racial identity wasn't propagated by zionists until the late 1800s. The reason was because they needed a justification to set the ground work for the Belfort declaration.

    Being a Jew by all logical accounts requires you believe in the Old Testament. A person who doesn't believe Jesus was then Son of God is not a Christian. And you are not a Jew because you don't believe the Old Testament deity exists.

    The German Christians rightfully viewed German Jews as their genetic equals. I was the German Jews in the 1880s who began to view themselves as Semites simply on faith.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    2,500 years ago, a native of Judea was called a Jew, regardless of his religious beliefs.

    this rule was codified into Jewish religious law.

    one many not be a very devout Jew, or even a good Jew, if one rejects Jewish laws/rules, but one is still a Jew.

    Judahism doesn't follow the rules of Christianity and Islam, as they are international faiths an have no ethnic connection.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just because it's written, doesn't make it so. No exception can be made just to appease. My parents are Hindu and I was raised as one. I left the faith at 14. I don't call myself a Hindu and wouldn't even if some ancient scroll said I was. You need to accept your true status as an agnostic/atheist and stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.
     
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    Plus, the Jews of Judeah were a race and faith which is why leaving the faith still meant you were Jewish by race.
     
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    Well, as per the mentioned method, if that's what you mean by Jewish, then yes. My point is that unless you specify what you mean by Jewish, you're just spouting words without any meaning.
     
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    No, you're not a Jew, nor were you ever a Jew.
    If anything, you're a Khazar whose ancestors converted over to Judaism in 750 AD.

    Majority of you Khazars are atheists anyway, so why bother calling yourselves Jews? Just be Khazars and save us all the trouble.
     

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