My gun control compromise

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  1. Quasar44

    Quasar44 Banned

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    I do train in mma !!

    At a low level
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thats what I always recomend as a 'first gun.' A .357 magnum revolver loaded with .38s. The heavy frame of the magnum and the light loads are super easy to skill up with. Then you can gradually work up to .38+P and then to .357mag all with the same gun.

    Theres 8-shot .357magnum revolvers btw. Taurus makes one, and prolly S&W.
     
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    I am going to set up a private
    Single action by pulling the trigger back was fun
    Double action I had a slight flinch
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That has more to do with grip than power, I am not masculine by any means and have no problems shooting a chopped down Officers Model .45.
     
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    If you think a 45 is orders of magnitude more deadly than a 9mm, then you know nothing about ballistics. And the fact that you can't shoot a 45 has no relevance to anyone else. What you think anyone "needs" has no bearing on their right to have it.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Modern ammunition design for the non military market has rendered many of the old arguments for .45 dominance among pistol rounds largely a thing of the past.
    Lots factors to consider in pistol cartridge terminal performance (specific loads, bullet design, powder type, barrel length, etc., none of which have to do with need. You can kill a cow or a human with a .22 short, but I wouldn’t trust my life on that cartridge for self defense and I wouldn’t hunt rabbits with a .45 anything.
    As for what you can or can’t shoot, while a pistol’s design and ergonomics can certainly have a huge effect on felt recoil, much depends on how much experience on has shooting cartridges with significant recoil potential. I have shot .45 acp and long frequently for over 50 years with many platforms, to the point where I find it’s recoil mild in comparison to some of the more powerful .460, .480, and .500 brethren I have carried in AK.
    Both my girls, both superb markswomen by age 11, saw shooting my large bore pistols as a treat when I brought them out and both (each under 110lbs) could shoot them better than their manly husbands.
    But, even after a session of putting 50-100 rounds down range with my Ruger Alaskan .480, my hand has had enough, and I can find myself having to work out a flinch.
    I make my choice (ranging from .22mag - .45 SMC) for what I will carry each day/situation based on a number of factors (weather, social situation, etc.) but probably carry one of my 9mms most often... unless I might expect to run into one of Monty Python’s killer rabbits... then ...the Holy Hand Grenade...
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's just plain not true. You need a better instructor.
     
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    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure that there's a lot of firearms you can't shoot without hands.

    What?
     
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    Lol. I'm 114 lbs on a good day and I can run a 12 gauge shotgun with little effort. While I haven't shot a .45, I do carry a .40 and can easily qualify with it.
     
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    Does a 12 G have much more kick than a 40
    What do you feel more
     
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    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    A 12 gauge probably has the most recoil among commonly owned firearms. With that being said, just because you can't handle a certain caliber, doesn't mean it should be banned.
     
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    So if I can’t shoot a .40 then a shotgun will be impossible
     
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    In any life or death emergency, in any violent attack against you or your family, in any attack against your liberty, you should simply lie down, face down, arms widely spread, hands/palms open and beg for your life, licking the boots of the bondsman whose chains are about to be placed on you, and thanking them if they don't just kill you.

    OR

    Quite whining about what you can't do - because people far weaker than you do all the things you say you can't do. Quit being a quitter. To quote Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Lucy Gennaro McClane in Live Free or Die Hard", "Just take a minute and dig deep for a bigger set of balls, 'cause you're gonna need 'em..."
     
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    I am good hand to hand fighter
     
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    Well, that's your choice and apparent capability. It's completely fine if you don't/can't shoot anything beyond a 9mm. With that being said, don't go on here and tell us what we can or can't own based off of what you can or cannot shoot. That's all I ask.
     
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    So, what forms do you practice?
     
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    A little bit of it all
    MMA
    BJJ
    MT
    Wrest
    Krav In past
     
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    Sorry; from your posts, I just don't believe it. You've claimed your hands are your weak point.
     
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    That and you can’t manage the recoil of a .45 or .40 pistol?
     
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    Bull most of those require more strength than firing a .45 ACP.
     
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    Perhaps it would be best to actually try and find out, instead of simply making an assumption.
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps it is just his goal is to argue that these weapons are evil and more deadly than tinier weapons. They're so powerful that he can't even fire them.
     
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    delete
     
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    Pound sand.
     
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    We're not trying to keep you from speaking, we're just pointing out your ignorance.

    Education is key.
     

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