Myanmar Leader Aung San Suu Kyi, Others Detained by Military

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  1. Space_Time

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    Will her urging resistance have any effect:
     
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    Myanmar is a BEAUTIFUL place to tour.
    Sad that in the 21 century people still face dictatorships and overthrow of military rule
     
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    It's somehow not really surprising the media would try link it to Qanon:
     
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    The "media" is not linking anything. The media is doing what the media does - reports things.
     
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    It was in better shape when it was called Burma.
     
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    uhhh.... it was only better in shape for white privilege people under than name.
     
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    At least they had shave cream called Berma Shave to sell. LOL
     
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    They were just playing Monkey See Monkey Do since the Trumpocity tried a coup.
     
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    The US election cycle contributes to the timing of these kids of events??
     
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    Military occupation works in China's favor in negotiating with Myanmar for oil drilling and the pipeline through Myanmar to China. They don't have to deal with a democratic party which might demand fair prices and wages for people.

    Biden has a conflict of interest with his top economic advisor's holding trillions of assets in Saudi/Asia/China oil. The Establishment Globalists make more money off cheap labor drilling and shipping oil across the pond than they do investing in U.S. energy with it's much higher cost of domestic labor. Of course, Americans will pay more for energy in transportation costs to buy foreign oil again. Plus the job losses here. But hey, the rich get richer on slave labor, and China benefits bigly.

    I keep waiting to hear how the Biden administration responds, now that he has cancelled much of American energy independence to help Wall Street and China earn more off cheap labor and oil.

    Of course, media won't mention "oil". The key word messaging will be "protecting human rights". I guess people on Wall Street and their partners in our crony capitalist business-as-usual political oligarchy have rights too (oil rights of the rich), but it's almost a stretch to believe the global robber barons still resemble what most of us consider human-itarian.
     
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    Yes, of course. China is about to do a lot of testing of the Biden administration. This is just the first round.

    Follow the money. Dig deeper than the propaganda which the government dishes out to the public through State Media.
     
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    It is pretty ironic that since the US has to go on the oil diet, that the US is entirely willing to allow China not to. This is another example of that. Nothing good for the people of Myranmar, just pain, suffering.. just like folks in China. And citizens of this country, of course, as you point out, will just suffer along with higher prices that squeeze the poor and working folks more to make the oligarchs of this nation yet more money. Biden is sterling in their eyes.
     
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    Biden will likely agree with China to the U.S. issuing some temporary sanctions for "face value". The Myanmar military will ignore those and "clear the land" that the investors need. All humanitarian organizations and world citizens will rightfully mourn the genocide. Then the public-private partner investors will continue on with their planned land development and oil profits. Once everything is in order, Aung San Suu Kyi can be released through "successful U.S. negotiations" and "democracy" can continue for the country.

    Too bad we never can get a political outsider and non-interventionist elected in America to break up the atrocities of The Establishment.
     
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    We (the U.S., Obama/Clinton) dabbled in the affairs of others for "democracy"....and made things worse:

    "Clinton, then the U.S. secretary of state, was in Yangon, Myanmar, to sit down with the woman she called her “inspiration” as part of a broader, if undeclared, U.S. strategy to drive a wedge between nations on China’s perimeter and Beijing, including long-isolated Myanmar, under the aegis of the Obama administration’s “pivot” to Asia."

    Biden's top Asia-focused people (Kurt Campbell and Jake Sullivan) are the same people who developed Obama's "pivot to Asia" strategy. It is unlikely that the 2010 policy which has now failed will work in 2021.

    Sanctions are a good "bluff" to see if Myanmar's military will cave and release the political prisoners. I doubt sanctions alone will be effective. Biden will possibly decide, or be influenced by the Pentagon, to have the Military Industrial Complex get us into an endless occupation. That would be the worst decision. He is somewhat hamstrung because Campbell and Sullivan support allowing China to rise, and Biden (Wall Street puppet) is very friendly to China. Hopefully war in not part of the picture.

    I'm inclined to think that Biden will use sanctions and "strong words" and not much else. That would actually be far better decision than further intervention. China has far more influence over what happens in Myanmar than the U.S. or our allies have (short of military force). We need to stop pretending that our decisions have much influence, especially if we plan to allow China to take over as the world's number one economic power. The more we "dabble" into affairs which are not ours, the worse we make the outcome. Historical fact.

    Aside from somewhat superficial sanctions to look like we're "doing something", the U.S. should work closely with our diplomatic ally and oil-trading partner Saudi Arabia, which also is likely to have more influence than the U.S. in the outcome of this Myanmar coup. I haven't researched whether Saudi is in support or opposition to the military rule over Myanmar, but they are probably the country we could best leverage as an intermediary to try to have a "cool" resolution quickly versus a long "hot" war with many casualties. Again, Saudi and China are planning a pipeline system (with heavy investments by Biden's economic advisors) through Myanmar which is going to happen regardless what the U.S. does "diplomatically" about the humanitarian issues at the surface.

    We need to stop intervening where we don't belong, but we can't go back 10 years and fix the screw-ups of the past. I'm sure whatever Biden does will be messaged to us as a "resounding success" so that everyone here at home can exhale and feel like big U.S. government is "good".
     
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    Same as if Jordan was in better shape if it was called Palestine ?
     
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    Myanmar doctors stop work to protest coup as U.N. considers response

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-coup-as-u-n-considers-response-idUSKBN2A22NW

    Things are really heating up now, this really is not going to end well.



    Days before coup, IMF sent Myanmar $350 million in emergency aid it cannot get back

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...mergency-aid-it-cannot-get-back-idUSKBN2A303R

    I wonder what a Military Junta will do with $350 million.... I wouldn't want to be a protester in Myanmar right now....


     
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    From what I have read, Biden plans to continue to provide financial assistance to Myanmar in spite of the coup for fear that any meaningful sanctions would drive Burma closer to China.
     
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    Well, that's interesting. Myanmar's primary financial future is inevitably tied to China (and Saudi) on oil/gas deals and the new major shipping port for other goods to route to China, so we'd might as well throw money into the wind. Else, our money is only helping China grow indirectly instead of directly.

    Not sure why we can't simply work to establish solid diplomatic and trade relationships with other countries without having to pay to make and keep "friends".
     
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    I used to puzzle over that as well. Ever since the Biden/Burisma situation, it all began to make more sense. We send cash and dirty politicians take their cut and kickback a piece to the "big guy". The irony for me is how this rabble lost its mind over an outsider who didn't need to steal.
     
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    Just another place in the world I don't recommend people visit.
     
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    The ME is complicated by 3000 - 4000year old history so no the problem in the ME is not just complicated by colonialism.
     
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    Not such a good compromise when the Brits were killing people protesting against their thug colonial rule.
     

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