Nancy Pelosi knows impeachment fervor could backfire -- and doom Democrats’ 2020 hopes

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  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Interesting post. It appears you believe if you get rid of us liberals, the you'll enjoy smooth sailing from then on with your fellow conservatives. History proves otherwise. Once you get rid of us liberals, those ultra-conservatives in your group will begin plotting ways to get rid of conservative moderates. Oh, that's actually happened already, with the Tea Party, beginning in 2010. So now you have cleansed the party of its moderates, and you have several factions of ultra-right wingnuts left, who get along with practically no one--not even each other. Now you're in for constant conflict--externally & internally. You think you're the answer for America. I think you're wrong.
     
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    Trump has shown that 46% of the vote is his limit.

    Dems have to produce now to win it all in 2020.
     
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  3. Stevew

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    No, liberals need to get a grip on reality. The American PEOPLE have been voting against dems and their liberal policies SINCE 2010. The dem LEADERSHIP has NOT CHANGED SINCE 2010. The 2018 election should have been a slam dunk for dems, but have shown themselves to be the intolerant jackasses they really are.

    Steve

     
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    As a Democrat & a liberal, I agree we need new faces in leadership positions within the party. But just because some old faces remain doesn't mean they are bad people with entirely outdated ideas. I urge you to go onto Youtube & watch the victory speech of Kyrstin Sinema, new senator from Arizona. I was impressed with her intelligence, her humility and her humanity. Your term "intolerant jackasses" definitely doesn't fit with her. I suggest you could like her as a human being, even if you disagreed with her politics. I use her as one example. There are many others--new to politics & new to Congress, elected last week, that come across as very nice individuals who care about their country and its people. Don't be so quick to lump us all into the same convenient box. We're all individuals, and conservatives are supposed to care about individuality--unless that's changed too since 2010.
     
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    BUT, you LOSE NATIONAL ELECTIONS AS A GROUP OF JACKASSES if this disruption for the sake of keeping the old guard dem leadership in place continues.

    Trump couldn't have planned it better himself.

    MAGA!
    Steve
     
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    But, they don't KNOW how to do more than protest and obstruct. Oh yeah- they also know how to create really stupid legislation.
    And, they know how to get people to vote for someone else, by demonstrating that the nations business and welfare is at the bottom of their priority list.
     
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    Such a decision must be based upon the finding of the Trump Justice Department Special Counsel, or other revelations of high crimes and misdemeanors.

    The prospect of running against Ayatollah Spiro T.Pence as an incumbent POTUS in 2020 may dispose Democrats to let Trump cling to the office, but that would be a pragmatic political calculation.
     
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    The Dems will put together a great program and then walk right over the GOP's protest and obstructionism.

    Since the nation's welfare and needs are at the top of the Dem's priority list, Americans will support Dem legislation.

    Dems will let a beta cuck Trump remain in office rather than give Pence a shot in 2020 as an incumbent president.
     
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    Name calling is in harmony with Trump. Congrats. We'll see how 2020 goes.
     
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    Trump is a fighter, and that's one of the many reasons I voted for him. The democrat party has needed to be slapped down hard SINCE 2010. Nothing else has worked to make them move back toward the center yet.

    Steve
     
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    Wrong based on the fact a judge has ruled congressional Dems have standing in their case suing Don for violations of the Emoluments Clause. The tax return is fair game in Dems seeking evidence in the suit.
     
  12. Stevew

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    That's just another nail in the democrat party's coffin for 2020.

    Steve
     
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    What you perceive as the Dems moving left is actually the Repubs moving right. They've done so on gun control, the environment, a woman's right to choose, immigration, healthcare, using public land for energy exploration, etc.
     
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    Says the guy who thought the Repubs would hold on to the House.
     
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    Hahaha! You haven't got a clue as to what's going on WITHIN the dem party.

    Steve
     
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    I go by rational thinking voters. Voter fraud has reared its ugly head again. Trump can easily get a new attorney general confirmed BY THE SENATE.

    NO BLUE WAVE for dems. lol

    Steve
     
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    How do you plan to get the ultra-far-right to move back toward the center? Or do you think we Democrats have to do all the changing?
     
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    I don't care about the so-called "ultra-far-right." The republican party was winning elections SINCE 2010!

    Maybe it is YOU who should rethink what news sources are infecting your thoughts.

    72 percent of Americans believe the "tradition news sources report news that is fake, false or misleading."

    Steve
     
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    F A L S E !!!!

    Try actually investigating that. That is just BS right wing talking points with nothing but bullshit behind them.
     
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    Quote some FACTS of your OWN FOR ONCE!

    Steve
     
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    I appreciate you conceding my point about the Repubs moving to the right.
     
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    Ok. First, you said "it has no preset conclusion". Do you mean it's purpose was never published, or do you mean it didn't reach a "preset" conclusion?

    No matter how you cut it, your post is just right wing talking points that you fell for.

    Try this:
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

    There are your facts that you should already be fully aware of.
     
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  23. Lee Atwater

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    It's time to come out from under the covers and acknowledge the blue wave happened. Though I will admit the seawall erected around some of the red states is impervious to demonstrable fact.......explaining why Repubs flipped a few seats.
     
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    Exactly my point. Democrats are going to spend the next two years looking for something to hang Trump since collusion charges were a bust
     
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    That charge is going nowhere which is why democrats have eighty subpoenas ready to go. They want to find something to initiate impeachment charges.
     

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