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NATO may die if trump is re-elected.....

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Jimbo11, Dec 3, 2019.

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  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think this post could be filled with any more hogwash than it is.

    #1. Our allies need to step up. We can no longer afford to be the world police. If western Europe feels threatened, what actions are they taking for their defense? The world and our allies have become too dependent on the US to hold them up and allow them to allocate to INTERNAL social programs while we go bankrupt. Time to pony up, or we pull out.

    #2. Accusing Trump of colluding with Russia to attack Europe is just ridiculous non-sense.

    #3. Nothing Trump has done, especially related to Western Europe is anything like Hitler. That's also non-sense.
     
    jcarlilesiu, Dec 3, 2019
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  2. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

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    Awe hell, we've only been there going on 80 years, what's a few thousand more years?
     
    jay runner, Dec 3, 2019
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    We were protecting Europe against possible invasion from the former USSR. Well, the former USSR is... former. Russia is basically Italy with nukes. Their economy is puny. Europe has nukes too. They should be able to do just fine without us. And our troops are needed on our own Southern border.
     
    gorfias, Dec 3, 2019
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  4. Pants

    Pants Well-Known Member

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    It takes great intelligence to be evil...so not quite apt for Trump!
     
    Pants, Dec 3, 2019
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    Lol. Is this really a thread ... what BS.
     
    therooster, Dec 3, 2019
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Why do we have to pay for their defense?
     
    MolonLabe2009, Dec 3, 2019
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many pay more than "next to nothing" but you are correct that some need to step up and increase their military spending.
     
    Sleep Monster, Dec 3, 2019
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good God, someone please tell me why the alt-lefties are so obsessed with the "Russians"?
     
    Jestsayin, Dec 3, 2019
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    Putin smiles
     
    Lesh, Dec 3, 2019
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    What a worthless godawful post.

    ps I hope my truth telling doesn't violate an PF rules......
     
    RodB, Dec 3, 2019
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    You guys are so funny. So now you pretending Fiona Hill gave testimony that backed Trump. How dishonest.
     
    ImNotOliver, Dec 3, 2019
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    Are you saying that trying to normalize relations with Russia is not what Trump has been trying to do to great outrage by the dems?
     
    Hoosier8, Dec 3, 2019
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I think that Trump is a corrupt bumbling idiot. And here you are trying to pretend Trump is actually trying to do anything that does not help himself, to excuse his criminality.
     
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    I swear if Rusian troops were to march into Washington there would be Trump supporters telling each other that Russian will be a better language for Americans than English
     
    Bowerbird, Dec 3, 2019
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    The excuses are now automatic

    If Trump stabbed someone you would not hear “et tu Brute” but “ it is the victims fault for running into the knife..........10 times”
     
    Bowerbird, Dec 3, 2019
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    Well your biased opinion is counter to the facts and the dems have been outraged about anything Russia. Ignoring the efforts to normalize relations with Russia in opposition to democrats is counterproductive.
     
    Hoosier8, Dec 3, 2019
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    Since they would have had to sail, fly and/or march a very long way before they get to Washington, we would have a lot bigger problem than what language we speak.
     
    kriman, Dec 3, 2019
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    Putin is Hitler and Traitor Boy is Chamberlain.
     
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    Russia doesn't have the capability to conquer Europe. Get real
     
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    The NATO allies have been stepping up in increments way before Trump started running his mouth. One thing that Trump fans get fooled on is that the NATO allies do not have a world side commitment as we do as for example in the Pacific. Therefore our total military expendeges as a percent of GDP is of higher than Germany's.

    The NATO countries closer to Russia of course ramped up defense spending but not because Trump ran his mouth but because they are scared of Russia.

    Again in closing the ramp up of NATO countries started before Trump started running bus mouth. Trump and his fans just like other things have taken credit for things he did not do. Other example was the net oil export in that Trump did not do that.

    Don't worry about the Hitler deal I think that maybe that poster was just getting people's attention.
     
    PARTIZAN1, Dec 3, 2019
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    Wow, now that's a new one. Did you just make that up?
     
    Hoosier8, Dec 3, 2019
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    Of course they would not be able to sustain an invasion up to the a
    Atlantic. What Russia is doing is working to get at the near by and if Chamberlains such as Trump have their way the Baltics and Ukraine would be given away for peace in our time. Russia would then undermine idiots like the fool in Hungary and then Poland and reinvent the Iron Curtain in another form.

    So yes Putin is laughing bus KBG ass of when Traitor Boy is crapping on NATO.
     
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    You listen to too many fools that have trillion$ at stake, keeping the boogieman Russia narrative going
     
    squidward, Dec 3, 2019
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    Said without one iota of evidence, as usual.
     
    garyd, Dec 3, 2019
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    NO, Russia is NOT like Italy with nukes.

    The difference is that Russia is highly oriented to taking over eastern European territory that was once part of the USSR.

    Also, Russia has attacked our democracy through its election activities here.

    Ignoring these military and cyber attacks is comparable to UK/Chamberlain at the outset of WWII.
     
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