NATO may die if trump is re-elected.....

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Except most aren't paying the 2%...
     
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    It's crazy! Threads like this amuse me even though they are extremely disturbing. One parrot squawks and the rest just jump in the cage.
     
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    That is a ridiculous assertion.

    Wow! Living proof that TDS is real.
     
  4. FatBack

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    And we were also supposed to be deep off into WW3 and a global recession, by now. What foolishness.
     
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    Fortunately, I don't live in Europe, so why should I care?
     
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    I agree. I was all :icon_jawdrop: when I read it.
     
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    Yep, Trump is Hitler and American troops will help Russia take over Europe, has to challenge my other front runner for the dumbest claim I have ever heard on the internet "Cuba is the freest Democracy on earth" one can only facepalm.
     
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    No, my question is why doesn’t each country pay for their own defense? That’s the logical approach. If Germany wants to play footsie with Putin under the table, why should we or anyone else protect them from the long term consequences? If France wants to end sanctions on Russia for their personal gain, why should the UK or the US be on the hook when it comes back to bite them?

    This collectivism stuff is garbage.
     
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    This is just delusional. You are obsessed with a state with less than half the economic power of California. Meanwhile in the real world we have this:

    Germany in particular is being eaten alive by China.
    https://www.politico.eu/blogs/the-coming-wars/

    You have a complete totalitarian state that is outcompeting the West at their own game, is taking over STEM, that is colonizing Africa, that is openly engaged in an ethnic genocide, that is buying up media outlets/creators in the West, and has literally forced American elites to openly take a knee favoring China over Hong Kong.

    This is not a war that can be won with military power. Frankly it is not a war that can be won at all. I have looked at the size of the Chinese population and the average IQ of its citizens and frankly I think in a few decades the only country that could possibly get in their way is India.

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    A dozen face palms doesn't even do it justice. My head is spinning.
     
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    TDS is more than a meme, we see it everyday.
     
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    Simple big reasons. The U.S. can't afford to lose major European powers as allies. This was a fundamental truth during the Cold War and it still is today.
     
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    I guess that's a matter that we could debate, but the President ultimately decides that, and I guess Trump doesn't agree with you.

    Maybe in 2020 somebody will win that does agree with you, but until then...
     
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    You know what, allies that play both sides aren’t allies. They are liabilities. We were successful for a while at keeping peace in Europe. But we will never change their nature. Exploitation, intrigue, colonialism, broken treaties, and outright war are in their DNA. Seventy-five years of forced cessation of hostilities hasn’t changed that. Freedom isn’t even a concern of theirs on a macro level. It’s like the war on drugs here. A complete waste of our resources.

    Don’t get me wrong. Europeans are family. I harbor no ill will for any individual. But on the political world stage, it’s time to let them police themselves and secure their own freedoms if they want them.
     
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    They aren't family. They can take care of themselves, or die. It matters not a whit to Americans.

    I'll be more than happy to watch their demise on the TV. They are dead already, and they brought it on themselves.
     
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    I’m speaking genetically. I had a brother. By definition he was family. He stole, lied, cheated, abused, did hard time, and eventually died from organ failure caused by drug abuse. When he died, you got it, nobody cared. We all breathed a little easier knowing he wouldn’t show up on one of our doorsteps ever again.
     
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    The world is full of horrors, such as Rwanda. Pol Pot's Cambodia. How many did the Chicoms murder? I'm told I have no relatives in the Ukraine as the USSR likely murdered them all. How much blood and treasure are you willing to sacrifice trying to act as global policemen?
     
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    In any future war NATO will be irrelevant, as will all nuclear deterrents. The main problem Europe has now is ongoing immigration into the EU member countries, and NATO can't sort that out; that's why the EU wants its own military - or maybe para-military would be a better word - because the police won't be able to cope with what will need to be done, such as enforced repatriations.
     
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    And not only for 'world peace', but to help us take on radical Islam when it gets its act together - which will be soon. I fear that the two incidents here in the UK outside of school gates could be the beginning of it, as are some of the street stabbings.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Harley-Watson-finding-12-year-old-dying.html
     
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    Get a grip - Russia is the only sane country on the planet.
     
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    Good riddance.
     
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    And with no NATO we can pretty much figure there WILL be future wars

    Nations (read "Russia") don't start wars they think they might lose...and with a strong NATO alliance and Article 5 that is the outcome that any nation would have to consider.

    Split that alliance up and that calculation changes dramatically

    And Putin smiles
     
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    That is not what I said. Since their commitment is not world wide they do not need to match our overall level of expenditure for military defense.
    They should do more for European defense I am all with that. That is not what the Trump guy is saying.
     
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    There's no denying that since Trump took office, NATO has been significantly stronger. The president secured $130 BILLION in new NATO defense spending - the largest increase in NATO funding in a generation!
     
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