NATO may die if trump is re-elected.....

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  1. WillReadmore

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    LOL - if Trump had a clue, other nations wouldn't be laughing at him.
     
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    Yes, Putin did violate two countries borders. Long before Trump came on the scene. Why didn't NATO do something then?
     
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    You mean the gossip girls.
     
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    He saved 6% of the NATO headquarters over head budget.

    130 million.

    He pisses that much away every time he plays golf

    And NATO countries are obligated to increase their military spending to 2% GDP BY 2024. They have all increased their spending and most if not all will hit their targets on time.

    Ya know who would LOVE to see NATO collapse?

    Putin
     
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    Yet another reason to vote for Donald Trump.
     
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    All I hear from the left is how great Germany, Norway, the Netherlands, and Denmark are when talking to liberals. Granted, most liberals are unemployed and will never see any of these countries themselves, but these are NATO members. Why is it, if they're so great, that they can't defend their own borders?
     
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    Let's remember the real problem - which is NOT dollars.

    The leaders at the NATO countries each came with a plan of attack should Trump call for the US to immediately leave NATO. NONE of them trust Trump. They ALL see him as fully capable of taking unilateral precipitous actions without notification or consultation even with his own advisers. Today, even our own military doesn't trust Trump. Even now they are working on plans concerning what they would have to do to carry out a rapid retreat if Trump were to take a similar action in Afghanistan.

    In the past, NATO forces fought along side us in places like Iraq, Afghanisan, Syria, Libya, etc.

    Through Trump, we're turning into an untrustable laughing stock

    That is a serious loss for America.
     
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    Despite all the west's dissembling, and neuro-linguistic-conditioning anti-Russo propaganda, Russia isn't our enemy, fundamentalist Islam is, and fundamentalist Islam won't use heavy weaponry against us, it will more likely be by (shall I say, so as not to tempt providence) demoralising, fear-inducing urban terror tactics (as we're already seeing?), and a fat lot of good nukes and IBMs will be to counter those tactics . . . and that's even if we know where the enemy is operating from, so that we can retaliate against them. I wouldn't underestimate Putin if I were you.
     
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    Ukraine is not a member of NATO.
     
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    The US is NATO
     
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    Bill Clinton said the USA would support her, obama rolled over and left Crimea taken over by his puppet master putin
     
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    No, says I. NATO was formed because the Soviets had their Warzaw Pacht and now there is no longer neither Soviet nor Warzaw Pacht, it is time to repeal the murderous supranational terrorist organisation that is NATO. They fill no purpose and only eat up people's tax money to kill the innocent in a country on the other side of the Earth.

    A terrible organisation.
     
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    Thanks to Trump funding is up and NATO is stronger.
     
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    Increases in funding of their military began BEFORE Trump.

    NATO is not stronger because Trump is actively undermining it
     
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    Where the hell are YOU from?
     
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    Whats undermined NATO is decades of America footing most of the bill for it, while Industrialized Europe benefited from it.

    Trump is telling Europe and Canada to cough up their fair Share and hes right why should we keep paying for industrialized countries defense.
    They want NATO ? the want the UN? then PAY FOR IT
     
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    LOL, reality not your thing eh?
     
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    So? Wasn't Nato formed to prevent what happened in WWII from happening again? One country from taking over another? Besides, while Ukraine isn't a member NATO does recognize it as an aspiring member.
     
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    None of your damn business. Stick to the topic instead.
     
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    Not exactly. NATO was formed to protect the interests and security of member nations. I don't believe NATO was established as a world policeman. The relevant agreement between the U.S. and Ukraine is that we would protect Ukrainian sovereignty and they agreed to remove their nukes. The nukes are gone but Russia is back.
     
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    And the hate continues to ooze from the wounds of the beaten gladiators, who just couldn't quite make the grade.... and just can't accept it. Nothing new, the character absent in them today was absent when the battle began. It's like the walking dead; still making noise, but nothing awaits them except finality.
     
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    Putin did not help install Trump. While perhaps not "idiotic" - it is uninformed to suggest that Putin installed Trump.

    Trump is no more the "Hitler" of the 21'st century than Obama was - when it comes down to brass taxes. Not understanding this fact is also a function of being uninformed.
     
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    The EU can defend Europe.
     
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    You sound like a Russian propagandist. Yes...that is part of the topic.

    Russia wants to end NATO...and so do you.
     
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    You sound like an ******,
     

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