Navy confirms UFO video

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    There is no evidence that naysayers couldn't reject. If you had a real ET, they would say its a hoax. If you present scientific evidence, they will say it was faked.

    How would you know it's real?

    I submit that there is NO evidence you would accept.
     
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    I once had a friend who was extremely closed minded about ETs, I drilled him with the same questions: What would you accept as essential proof of an ET? He admitted one by one that no evidence would be sufficient.

    So I asked, "what if ET landed his UFO in your backyard and took you for a ride?" He replied, "I would assume I was hallucinating."

    That isn't skepticism. That is cynicism.
     
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    True...double edge sword, What evidence would you need to prove there are no ET's are here or have ever been?
     
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    You can't prove a universal negative. However, I started studying the subject for an English paper, in college. I was so floored by what I found that I had to keep studying. Eventually I gained access to the archives of declassified government documents from the NSA, CIA, FBI, DOD, Army, Navy, Air Force, and a few others. I read every one - thousands of them. Eventually you find that no reasonable person can dismiss it all as trivial. There are highly compelling events, well documented, involving high level officials, eyewitnesses, RADAR tracks, pilot visuals, that defy all prosaic explanations.

    An honest review of the evidence demands the subject be taken seriously. Proof, no. All but proof, most definitely. If it were almost any other claim, no one would question that it's all real.

    Scientific "proof" of earthquake lights was generally accepted with nothing but a few grainy photos. Same for ball lightning. But fighter jets have had dogfights with UFOs, and cops have chased them all over the countryside.
     
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    You got my point, you can't prove a negative, so until there is an ET we can't assume they are or have been here, As it stands...it's a unproven theory.
     
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    Strange logic, it seems to me.

    If the skeleton looks human but DNA proves it is not human, what can we surmise?
     
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    We probably couldn't, but I think the forces necessary for interstellar or inter-dimensional travel may require a state of mind that automatically excludes aggressive mentality or intent. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I see no evidence that the ETs currently here have any malevolent intent whatsoever. It's us I'm worried about.
     
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    The leader of the naval pilot crew for the Nimitz incident recalls exactly what happened of the coast of San Diego and how the navy had been tracking these things on radar for a couple of weeks.

    A fascinating first had account:

     
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    I watched the rogan podcast with faber and listened to his account that included others who got eyeballs on the craft that they interacted with.

    The info is very convincing unless one is a fry short of a happy meal.

    There are intelligence driven craft in our skies that are so advanced as to appear to be magic. No longer can this be denied by the debunkers. Unless of course they are crazy, and indeed some are.

    Only question is where do they come from? And should we be worried ?

    At least we now know the debunkers have no leg to stand on. And if they continue on we will know they have mental affections.
     
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    A lot of things are coming out of the Navy. Cool !
     
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    Not so much cynicism as cognitive dissonance. :angel:
     
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    I think we have all been conditioned to ridicule what we do not understand. This has probably been quite deliberate as a way of deflecting peoples attention from events that are pretty hard to explain in terms of an official narrative. The term "conspiracy theory" as a pejorative came about after Garrison's investigation of the New Orleans angle of the JFK assassination. It has been used ever since to ridicule and demean anyone who questions the dominant narrative of controversial events.

    At any rate, more and more of these incidents are being reported by very credible eyewitnesses, often many - even hundreds - of witnesses at a time. These include military personnel with radar contact as confirmation. And the truly amazing thing is that these vehicles whatever they are seem to be able to perform maneuvers that are entirely beyond our ability to explain scientifically and even seem to be able to defy the laws of physics as we understand them. If it is true that these things can produce gravity waves then that is something far beyond what human technology is currently capable of - like magic as you have noted.

    This is the reality. Our planet is being visited by these things and has been for some time. AS some of the naval personnel who have researched this have said, we need to be able to have an adult conversation about these things.

    I am not sure if you are aware of some of the school-yard landing UFO incidents from decades past but these events were witnessed by tens and even hundreds of witnesses, both children and adults who have maintained their accounts of what happened to the current day. Very compelling. There are still BBC interviews with the Ariel children on-line as well as interviews from Harvard researcher, John Mack and there is just no way those children could have acted well enough or all held to a story for all these years to pull off a hoax, and why would they? Just to be ridiculed?

    Westall was witnessed by over two-hundred people both children and adults. Documentation like that is pretty hard to dismiss unless you take debunking as a starting position and then try to twist all the facts to suit your original conclusion.
     
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    You're missing the main point, which is, they are here. They are not airplanes or any other form of flying craft we're familiar with. They can maneuver aerobatically in ways our most advanced jets can't. They can turn 90* turns instantly at speeds which would normally kill any human pilots. They can fly into space within seconds & from wherever they happen to be at any given moment. We can't. We don't have to PROVE they come from ETs. We know they aren't designed, built or controlled by humans. Since they're here, & demonstrating advanced flight characteristics beyond human capability, then we have to accept they are designed & built & controlled by NON-HUMANS. Since we know of no such non-human species living on Earth, that means we have to accept they're not from Earth. We don't need to PROVE they are ETs by waiting until they show up in our living rooms. We have to accept that they are ETs simply because there is no other explanation. Period. :)

    The only alternative explanation I can think of is if they come from a parallel dimension. Whether we would regard that as ET or not is open to debate.
     
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    This is basic logic based upon what wr do know from evidencr.w

    Funny how some have no use for logic using what we do know.

    If whatever they are have not formally introduced themselves by now, probably not gonna happen.

    Not like we can shoot them down.
     
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    Can you cite this instance so we can verify your "claims"? Where is this person's statement?

    Or are you making this up
     
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    Shooting them down is a terrible idea. They have been around for many centuries, & if they intend us harm, or wanted to take over the planet, they've had centuries of opportunity. Obviously, that's not their goal. So, they're friendly, & we need to treat them with respect. They could easily be our ticket to an already existing interstellar community. We should consider the advantages of that before going off half cocked & becoming aggressive.
     
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    Der der der

    Sure, I have it right here. Come and get it.
     
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    You just make a lot of claims... glad we are able to see how those end up.

    Best of luck on your next topic...
     
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    It comes from an alternate line of humans. In fact that has happened now, eg Homofloriensis. I believe we have found about 5 lines of human-like species that we assumed to be human.

    However, there are markers that would reveal and ET. I'm not 100% positive now but as I recall, even the direction of the spiral helix in DNA is one. Another type of DNA could have the opposite direction helix. All DNA on earth has the same handedness.

    All species on earth have common origins. If a species was found that does not have the ancient DNA, it would serve as evidence of ET origin.
     
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    I teased you about your post yesterday so now you wage personal attacks. Typical trumper. Thanks for proving your limitations.

    I thought the military was supposed to make you tough. So much for that claim. Can't even take a little harmless joke.
     
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    I cannot claim they are friendly . They could be not interested in a species that wage wars.

    What I do know is advanced tech can fly in our skies with impunity and we are out classed.
     
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    I'm not sure what Trump has to do with your post, seems you're derailing.

    Do you have sources to verify your claims?
     
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    How do you cite a conversation with someone in real life?
     
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    How can we know this "conversation" took place...?
     
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    We don't know, but such is life.
     

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