Nazi-style rule in Hong Kong; Pro-democracy books pulled from libraries by China

Up to this point you are right.

Actually the Soros and CIA supported NGO's have been in Hong Kong for years. They were the cause of the protests and violence and should have been kicked out a long time ago. Frankly I couldn't understand why they were still allowed in Hong Kong.

The NGO's though have nothing to do with Trump. Quite the opposite, since Soros strives for a liberal one world government, while Trump firmly believes in the sovereignty of nations. So to blame Trump for the situation in Hong Kong is foolish. It's a foreign policy that's been dominated by Democrats for years.

As for Trumps demonizing and attacks on China, well that's a different story. I guess it's the fear of a dying empire: The USA, of an emerging one: China. Then again maybe Trump has a point - who knows?

As for China's government, well maybe if the attacks on them stopped, they would start relaxing their laws and giving their people more freedom.

 

China was always going to have trouble in Hong Kong because HK was free and free people don't give it up easily. It isn't our doing. Hong Kong is sad but who knows the final outcome. We know what China can do if they choose to but …..

 

hk never had true freedom, all its governor were white from UK before 1997, and they weren't allow true freedom of speech either, furthermore, all the best property was reserve for UK elite.

 

HK never was free, name one governor that was elected by its citizen before 1997. what they had was fake never real whether in UK era or in CCP era.

 

Everything is relative including Hong Kong freedom vs CCP freedom. I learned what true poverty was seeing it in Hong Kong. They were under British rule but they had immeasurable freedom by comparison.

 

my dads friend was from HK, he said in the 70s they were treated as 2nd class citizen, all the prime real estate was reserve for UK citizen, they weren't allow to vote or anything.

 

I wouldn't dispute your dad's friend but HK was full of refugees from mainland. I saw families living under a piece of tin leaned up against a wall. that was their real estate. That was evidently preferable to living on the mainland and that seems like freedom to me.

 

You believe your liberal version of democracy is best because it's part of you and what you are. This doesn't mean the Chinese who are not part of the Anglosphere should become like you and feel the same way. Most people in Hong Kong are Chinese - and very proud of their own culture and standards. If they weren't, then they wouldn't be joining China, nor would China want them to since they'd be alien to them. It's not an empire or federation as far as I know.

Of course there are some in Hong Kong who have economic interests which supersede their cultural heritage and ethnic pride, but not many, or Hong Kong wouldn't be reverting back to China. This doesn't mean I wouldn't want China to open up somewhat, but that will be in their own time and way and within their own cultural standards.

 

It wasn't preferable, they just came looking for a higher wage, and obviously they didn't get it or they wouldn't be living that way. Look I'm not backing communist China, because to me its as much a form of slavery, as the one world order the liberals are trying to force on us. Trying to impose ones own standards on others, only creates more resentment and accomplishes nothing other than chaos, death and destruction.

 

They didn't go back.

 

Hong Kong didn't decide to revert back to China, the British lease ran out and China reclaimed HK because it belongs to them, always did. China agreed to HK systems in place, you know, like the Mongolians keep theirs.

 

he was native HK, a white collar worker later immigrant to US. i would agree back in 70-80s living condition between mainland vs HK was vast different. even now HK enjoy better GDP per cap than China. but the fact is Briton never give HK chance to vote their leader, if they did, it would be much harder for china to assign a governor of their own. china basically just said since brits never allow HK to elect their leader, china wont do it either.

 

I don't believe China votes for their leader.

 

HK was playing with fire, last year i said when HK start burning chinese flag, smash govt building etc, eventually Xi will crack down hard. The best choice was for them to either peacefully protest but not burning chinese flag etc, thatll get Xi attention. or just leave the place. China put the law in place after a year of protest, etc etc. if the protest was short live and not violent then i doubt china will intervene. but when across some red line CCP wont tolerate, they will crush it hard.

 

huh? what are you talking about.

 

That's a silly question, it's very clearly stated

Of course. They are Communist China after all.

 

your answer doesn't solve #38. i'm saying, because brit didn't give HK election, hence china wont give HK election either. if brit give HK election in 70s, its gonna be hard for china to change the election policy, since it will be rooted in HK system for decades.

 

and you think Trump will stand by if some communist sympathizer burning american flag/run sack govt building in DC. lol, look at BLM, he already said bring in the solider after what 1 week protest. what happen if there is riot/protest last for a year.

 

Good

You know that this so called Soros conspiration is for me total BS and nothing else as a fairy tale story?
This is nothing more than total paranoia in the end and I have spent a very long time trying to figure out what makes me come to this conclusion. every time something triggers a kind of crisis or something seems "strange", right wingers in particular take hold of the Soros conspiracy and let go of a thunderstorm of unproven speculations, allegations and half truths, as well as lies ... mix everything together again and then black suddenly turns white and white turns black and everything suddenly makes sense. Sorry ... does not work for me!

And as for the accusation regarding Democrats ... sorry ... that's nonsense too. You forget the 8 years of Bush Jr. and he wasn't a democrat! When did Apple decide to move the entire production to Zhengzhou again? Under President Bush Jr. and the right wingers and capitalists in the United States applauded.
Statements by Apple that it is not their job as a US company to create US jobs because they are a global company will then be ignored. And also statements that it is not possible to manufacture I Phones etc. in the USA because there would be a shortage of skilled workers, they are kept secret.
And as far as the working conditions in the plant ... also called I Phone City ... I don't want to start.

But that brings us to Trump and his economic and political declaration of war on China ... because were his punitive tariffs affecting Apple? No ... because Trump doesn't dare because Apple is too big and too powerful to get a verbal kick from Trump ... means ... if Apple kicks back as answer, Trump is hit so violently that he voluntarily will leave the White House.

And that brings us to all of the disgusting hypocrisy of Donald Trump and his fans ... the Trumponians.

That's right ... because China has been acting very quietly all the years and is quietly and secretly replacing the USA in many places around the world. Check out China's engagement in Africa, Asia, the Pacific, and South America. The United States has been self-illusion for a long time and Trump also praises it with "America First" and his ... sorry ... stupid fans applaud without understanding that they are inviting China (and elsewhere Russia) ) to take over the place of the United States here and there.
China is damn powerful and even if the USA may win a conflict with China in the end ... afterwards the USA itself needs an ICU bed in the end due to all the heavy injuries they have. And if, in addition to China, the US and Trump also treat decades-long friends and allies like slaves and attack them and also impose punitive tariffs ... and then you wonder that they show the middle finger as a reaction to the USA in their fight against China ... then the American stupidity is perfect!

Correct ... this is the point in China. If you stay calm, accept the "rules" and don't play the serious opposition ... then everything is much more easier in China. But woe you question the leadership of the communist party in China ...

 

Dude... really...
China is not a dictatorship. It's not some country ruled by nazi's. It's also not fascistic.
it's communistic.... and that's quiet the opposite.


There is more fascism in Donald who cleared the streets of protesters so he could have a picture taken.
Get real.


Besides that... Hong Kong aint no independent country. It's a CHINESE city. The fact that the UK utterly bullied China to give away Honk Kong for a century for FREE doesn't change a thing that it's all part of China. Get over it.

 

United States promoted and loved China for a long time, at the expense of Americans.
Whatever has happened in Hong Kong is a direct result of US policies.

 

What happened in Hong Kong was attributable to European colonialism. Today is just the progression of being absorbed back into the body of the country.

 

Communism, Fascism, Nazism. Call it whatever you want. It all amounts to the same thing; repression of common people.

And do you know why Trump is such a big fan of Putin and Xi Jinping and Kim Jong-un?

They are all leaders who are installed for life. No term limits because there is no limit placed on their power.

Putin just had himself ''re-elected'' as President until 2036.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/europe/russia-constitution-putin-presidency-intl/index.html

Oh, how Trump would love to play with such a toy!

 

Those present in the united states in this forum, who voice their support for the nation of China, rather than the people of the city of Hong Kong, are now unable to claim they support the actions of individual states when it comes to matters of immigration, illicit narcotic substances, or any other matter that is delegated by federal law. These states are usurping the supremacy rule by declaring they are exempt from federal regulations, meaning they are no different than the city of Hong Kong.

If one supports the nation of China, they must also support the so-called "war on drugs" and harsh immigration policies. The matter is as simple as that.

 

Hong Kong is not a State, it's a city in China. acknowledging that fact is not the same as being in favor of a harsh crackdown by China, it's just recognizing reality.

I do favor drug and immigration control.