Near Death Experience Showed Me Something I Could've Never Imagined | Anita Moorjani (NDE)

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    Near Death Experience Showed Me Something I Could've Never Imagined | Anita Moorjani (NDE)
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    Some people who have near-death experiences claim to encounter a feeling of unconditional love.

    Does feeling love outside of the body for the first time ruin a person? Too much love could be a bad thing. It would make a person want to stay within the love without reasoning, and it might hamper objective thinking.
     
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    That's amusing since her experience was wholly imagined.

    I'm guessing you're not familiar with scientific methodology.

    To validate NDE's, you need a control group.

    Notwithstanding the ethical obstacles, you would need to take new-borns and put them in an isolated environment, say an island.

    Their environment would have to be completely sanitized of all religious symbols and icons, and their reading and viewing material would have to be completely sanitized of any and all references to religions, god-things, heaven, hell, souls, etc etc etc.

    If they had NDEs, then they would be validated.

    Since culture has been contaminated with reports of NDEs, all claims of NDEs are suspect.

    What recent studies have shown is certain areas of the brain are active when near death, and those particular areas are responsible for dreams, day-dreams and hallucinations. The evidence suggests the brain tries to make it easier to die by making the experience more pleasant.
     
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    Actually, there have been many books written on the subject and find that most of them have the same or similar events regardless of their location and upbringing in the world.
     
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    It's a shame that she doesn't understand what the "Gifts" she can have by coming back. Hopefully, a missionary from the LDS Church will be able to explain this to her. The "gifts" are the endowments in the Temple that she needs to progress on the other side of the veil and beyond. Not just for her but for her father. He needs those same gifts done for him vicariously in the Temple.
     
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    You seem to come from the LDS background based on your posts. I don't mean to offend, but I have a question for you. Why does the LDS church claim authority on matters beyond the veil? Who is their witness for such things?
     
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    Line upon line the Priesthood was restored. The Priesthood is the authority of God given to man to do His work. His work is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. The ordinances necessary for eternal life must be performed on earth. As you remember that in 1Peter chapter 3, it was taught that Christ went to the spirits in prison who had not the opportunity to hear the Gospel and receive those ordinances. We believe he organized a missionary team to do the preaching from those in paradise who have passed away. In 1836, Elijah the Prophet came to the Temple and conferred authority of the sealing powers on Joseph Smith who conferred that authority on others. At first, this wasn't clearly understood by Joseph Smith and others. But, line upon line, this authority ties families together from Adam to the present as understood in Malachi less the earth be smitten with a curse and all the lives from Adam on would be a big waste of time.

    My opinion is from one of our Prophets who said, "Man is now as God once was. As God is now, man may become. The only way that we can be resurrected with eternal life in the Celestial Glory Kingdom is with authority to exercise the power in the Priesthood. The Priesthood which is God's. It's the order of Heaven. And, by the way, each soul spirit who has their work done for them still has the moral agency to accept the ordinances or not accept the ordinances.
     
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    Their location and upbringing has nothing to do with it.

    We're talking about cultural contamination, so unless you bore yourself and raised yourself in Antarctica and never had contact with anyone, your mind is "contaminated."
     
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    Again, there have been many books and articles that show their upbringing had nothing to do with their event. People from places that never had any knowledge of Jesus Christ have Christ in their event. Go figure!
     
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    Tell me about progress beyond the veil. What are these "gifts" or temple endowments?

    I also almost died when I fell into the pool as a child. But I came back.

    And, also, later in childhood I practiced out-of-body experiences. And, I found that there were spiritual guards in the area around the homes of some people who would soon die. And I tried talking to them but they just threw me down to the ground, with great strength, and I was snapped back to my body like a rubber band. There was also a flying thing that I was afraid of, shaped like a cornucopia, that could zap me and hurt my spiritual body. It also would snap me back into my body.
     
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    Yes, we've all heard about the areas of the brain that distort reality near death. But we don't really have the tools to actually study death in an ethical way. Our technology isn't there yet.
     
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    You read Lobsang Rampa? My friend tried it and said he was able to leave his body and go places. I tried it but could not. Did you get to the big computer with all of our histories?
    It's dangerous to leave your body in any method other than death or near death. In those cases, God is in control. In any other way, Satan can sneak in and take over. And, he does. He takes people away from the truth and the Gospel potential. Such as reaching the Celestial Kingdom through authority of Baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost. The Celestial Kingdom is where progression and increase in joy continues in the Resurrection. The ordinances and endowment gifts in the Temple prepare us to be received into the Celestial Kingdom if the Atonement takes us there.
     
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    I don't know what I read. I just read some book about ESP. From the previous tenant at the apartment my family was staying in.

    I was able to get out of my body, then not now, and look around. I tried to read a number on a piece of paper on the top shelf. But I kept getting the number wrong. So rather than doing that again, I decided to go into space and look at rocks floating around out there.

    Then when I found a rock, I was looking at it. Then suddenly there was this weird warping effect, a weird little bubble, around the starfield in space and I hid from it behind the rock until it was gone. And I went back to looking at the rock. Suddenly something hit me from behind and I was snapped back into my body.

    Then there was a voice in my head asking me who I was and what I was doing. At first I was worried about giving my info out, stranger danger, but I asked if they worked for the government and they said yes, so I told them who I was, that I was looking at rocks in space, and to visualize in my mind where I lived (they didn't use street addresses for identification). And I told them if they wanted to know more about me, they could read the rest of my mind. Then the voice was silent. That was it.
     
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    The same friend I mentioned and I also did something one of my psychology teachers in high school showed us. Fold a square piece of paper diagonally both ways. Then, take a pin or needle and stick it into an eraser for a brace. Put the vertex of the folds on the head of the needle to balance it freely. Then, concentrate on spinning the paper left or right. Or, just get it to move. We both were able to do it. We tried to knock it off the needle but weren't quite able to do that. We were in my bedroom where there was no draft. We did it for a few weeks and then we couldn't get it to move anymore. I think one of Satan's fallen angels was playing with us. And, I think he was playing some with with you too? But, Labsang Rampa claims he could do it at will. What it does suggest that we actually do have a spirit body that has been placed inside our physical bodies.
     
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    T. Lobsang Rampa (Cyril Henry Hoskin) was later claimed to be a fraud after writing his book -- but he wrote one very entertaining book, "The Third Eye." I thought The Third Eye came across with a high degree of authenticity but his other books were clearly frauds. Particularly the one he claimed was dictated by his cat, "Living With the Lama."

    https://lobsangrampa.org/ebooks/en/The-Third-Eye.pdf
    https://www.lobsangrampa.org/books/en/Living-with-the-Lama.pdf
     
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    Wow!!!!

    That is a truly powerful video!

    After the nine minute mark are testimonies by Ms. Moorjani about things that she saw her doctor do for her that her doctor felt that she could not possibly have known due to her being in a coma at the time that he did those things for her.

    It is certainly a common element of near death experiences that the people do not want to return to their bodies, especially when those bodies are so injured and broken up. That is when medical technology is often demonstrated that is far beyond what we humans confined to four dimensional space time can even begin to comprehend.

    I guess even the unconditional love for the people that near death experiencers feel that they have been sent to mentor and encourage is a gift from that higher dimensional realm.
     
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    Here is another exceptional video by Ms. Anita Moorjani.

    She sure does have a different view of her cancer at this time. (That is around the 17:00 minute mark in this video).




    Dying to be me! Anita Moorjani at TEDxBayArea
     
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    Many people claim they used his book to leave their bodies and float around the universe. So, not sure how you can prove that anything in it was a fraud. Just like you can't prove there is no God.
     
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    I personally believe that out of the body experiences are written about in the Jewish and Christian Bible but also in modern literature and psychological research such as the case of Mr. Ingo Swann.


    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2ki/6/12/s_319012


    "And one of his servants said, None, my lord, O king: but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber" (2 Kings 6:12)


    "Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee." (John 1:48)


    Many verses in Matthew chapter four remind me of an out of the body state and forty days of fasting would tend to produce such an experience.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/4/1/s_933001

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/act/14/19/s_1032019
    2 Corinthians 12
    Could the Apostle Paul have met Lazarus and talked to him? Lazarus who was dead for about four days????

    I don't know the answer to that ... but the question is a legitimate one.

    Or.... was this Paul's own brush with death perhaps when he was stoned and appeared to be dead???



    "And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead." (Acts 14:19)
     
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    I read it... as well as several other of his books and for all I know he may well have even communicated with his cat...... I do believe that Ms. Jan Price account of her communicating with her previously deceased dog during her near death experience.



    The Near-Death Experience of Jan Price


    Jan Price’s Near-Death Experience With Her Pet Dog
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 20, 2019



    The Kat Kerr does report meeting lots of pets in her trips to heaven and so did little Colton Burpo who had a near death experience when he was three years and ten months old.

    If you are interested her video about pets in heaven is at the bottom of this page.


    http://www.katkerr.com/category/videos-showtime/

    02 APR YOUR PETS IN HEAVEN

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    There are at least three if not more possible explanations for the books by T. Lobsang Rampa...... and I myself am unable to discern which explanation would be the best one for his case????

    Was he the reincarnation of a Tibetan Buddhist monk as a skilled writer in England..... maybe..... I don't know for sure?????

    Was he was Ruth Montgomery might refer to as a Walk In????? I don't know????

    Was he in contact with his own familiar spirit.... and discarnate entity assigned to mess him up as well as his readers???? That could be as well..... I don't know for sure..... God knows what was going on with him..... I don't .... but his books showed a serious understanding of the paranormal.
     
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    There are visions that the Holy Ghost allows certain people to see. Whether in the body or out, I don't know :)
     
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    Nah, all the obligations and responsibilities in life remain, along with ones own shortcomings, challenges, and all the new problems that life throws at us.
     
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    Three explanations? Why do you disregard the most likely explanation, i.e., that he was a fraud fabricating a work of fiction? It should be noted that a man who "remembered" being a monk in Tibet for some reason, when tracked down by reporters could not speak one word of the language. The Deli Lama himself pronounced "The Third Eye" a work of fiction.

    That being said, I enjoyed reading the book.
     
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    There are several reasons why I tend to disregard that explanation that you consider to be the most logical .......
    basically...... I have a really hard time imagining that somebody who would
    get to the place where they knew so much about the invisible dimensions.... got there...... .just so that they could become a famous and / or wealthy writer????? Although I cannot rule out that possibility...... I just don't consider it to be the most logical.... because we humans often want to accomplish something with our lives for others..... and the people who have one of those near death experiences seem to be rather obsessed with accomplishing something toward assisting others to attain a higher level of understanding, wisdom and consciousness.

    For example... .here is a link to a truly brilliant writing of thirteen chapters or so......that the author who had a near death experience in 1985.. .(if I remember correctly).. .has made available for anybody to read for free .......... The author admits that if he had not had his near death experience.... .there is no possible way that he could have written a book like this.


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/


    To my thinking one of the signs of somebody seeking fame and or wealth is that they will show off their own lofty and superior knowledge.... I got that vibe from "The Seth" books for an example ....... those books also impressed me as showing a lot of knowledge.... .but the vibe I got from them annoyed me...... (although perhaps that could have been my being guilty of imputing my own flawed motives to the author..... God knows the answer to all that.... and I really don't??????

    I have noticed that it often takes a near death experiencer about ten years or sometimes more to process what they were shown so that they can write a book....... and they often feel that they have a duty to write their book....... due to the importance of what they feel that they learned during their unusual experience. I tend to think that they would write their book faster if their motive was primarily wealth or fame?!
     
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