I have heard of Netanyahu's government in Israel. I have also heard of the rather desperate-sounding opposition to that government. Take this news article, for example: In Israel, India, and Elsewhere the Civilization State is Taking Over (msn.com) Do you know why the opposition is desperate? It's because the opposition is Arabs, and they have shielded themselves behind the institutions of a "liberal democracy" while they launch attacks against the state of Israel to destroy them. The citizens of Israel have recognized this and have done the most logical thing available to them by electing Netanyahu's government into office. Netanyahu isn't going to stand for the Arab's plan to hide behind legal technicalities in their attempts to destroy Israel from within, and he is now confronting them head-on. This is exactly what Israel needs right now. And the Arabs know this is a valid confrontation and will likely be effective. Hence, they whine all the more about things like "Netanyahu is destroying liberal democracy," and they are publishing more articles like the one I linked to. Don't be fooled by the Arabs. Netanyahu is applying the right tools that he needs to save Israel from an enemy who is using the legal technicalities of a poorly designed "liberal democracy" as a human shield with the aim of destroying Israel.
Arabs tend to view Israel like a colonial oppressor. And they have a good point. The problem is the Jews that took over their land are all dead, and now its just regular folks living there. To get it back, they'll have to do to the Jews what the Jews' grandparents did to them. But, understandably, no one is having that now. Its all ****ered. I find it hard to believe we didn't see this innevitable result back in '46 or w/e when we funded the Jews to take their homeland from other people whose homeland it had also become. Seems to me a pretty obvious way to sow chaos.
The Jew hating part of the media will always criticize the Israeli government and accuse Jews of doing what their own governments have done in the recent past only much worse.
Were did you get this information? The situation in Israel reminds me the situation in the US - Jewish voters in Israel are divided between the Left and the Right, more or less fifty-fifty. Because of personal struggle between two leftist parties left lost some votes and the Right won. Israel does not have Constitution, so Israeli supreme court keeps the government in check. Now the Right want to reduce the power of the supreme court, so the government could create any laws it wants. Religious minority parties want to make Israel more religious, reduce right of LGBT and to force secular Israelis to observe religious laws. Netanyahu is not religious, but he is under investigation of corruption charges, so he is also wants to reduce the power of supreme court. There are huge demonstration against reducing power of the supreme court, but it is up to Knesset (Israeli parliament) to LEGALLY make a supreme court an impotent judiciary branch.
It is actually your OP, which sounds desperate. First of all, the "opposition," are elected Israelis, not Arabs. You provide no supporting evidence, of your outlandish charge. If we transfer it, to the U.S., though, it becomes something like saying the Democrats are really just a cover for the Chinese. It is a Boebert or MTG type of statement. Not credible. Desperate. Also, I have heard things about Israel, that make me think there is merit to the charges. They have become, for example, a world leader in phone and cyber scams, & fraud. They also just recently had a scandal with one of their companies, selling spyware to nations, which then was used to literally keep an eye on targeted journalists. It appears that Israel does not care to police its businesses, as long as they are bringing money into Israel. The government seems to have an amoral disposition, as to where those funds come from. And this is hardly surprising, as their leader, Netanyahu, has been indicted on fraud & bribery charges. Has that ever come to a resolution? The interesting note is that Israel has a law that forces those who are indicted, to resign from government Ministery, but in that law, they left out the Prime Minister, since they presumably never conceived of someone under indictment, becoming the country's new PM. But here we are. Oh, and Mrs. Netanyahu has even twice been convicted of crimes: in 2019, of misusing public funds, and in 2016, of abusing public servants. Yeah, this seems one classy government, you are vouching for. Netanyahu's new administration, sounds as corrupt as, though possibly worse than, was Trump's. Read this bizarre reflection of our own political failings, in a Middle Eastern mirror: https://www.thedailybeast.com/shock...to-benjamin-netanyahus-new-israeli-government <Snip> When the ladies posed for pictures, Yafa Deri, wife of aspiring finance minister Aryeh Deri, who served two years in prison for bribery in the early aughts, stood to Netanyahu’s right. On her left, the gun holstered into the skirt waist of Ayala Ben Gvir—wife of aspiring police minister Itamar Ben Gvir—jutted into Mrs. Netanyahu’s hip. Together, Deri and Ben Gvir’s husbands have been convicted 55 times, Ben Gvir for terror-related crimes and Deri, most recently, for tax evasion. “The appointment of a convicted felon, Ben-Gvir, as the ministerial overseer of all police activity, hardly raises an eyebrow anymore,” Amos Harel, a columnist for the Israeli daily Haaretz wrote about the administrative and political bedlam. Benjamin Netanyahu is currently on trial for bribery, fraud and breach of trust. He denies the charges. Welcome to Israel 2022, a morass of (alleged and convicted) miscreants, fraudsters and violent extremists... Netanyahu’s legal troubles have manacled him. Most leaders of Israeli political parties refuse to sit in government with an indicted criminal. The parties willing to help him form a majority coalition out of the Knesset’s 120 seats are those who believe they have no other avenue to power: the ultra-orthodox Jewish religious parties and an agglomeration of previously marginal extremist groups who have until now been rebuffed by Israel’s mainstream. The deal offered by Netanyahu goes something like this: his partners will back a slate of “judicial reforms” that will effectively dismantle Israel’s judiciary, and Netanyahu, in turn, will reward them with real power. This is the political jam which has brought Israel to the cusp of saluting Defense Minister Bezalel Smotrich, 42, a self-described “proud homophobe” and a segregationist who believes Jews and Arabs should not have to mingle, who aspires to impose the “the law of the Bible,” and who evaded his own military service. <End Snip> Sounds very McCarthy-ish.
i have a deep respect for the jewish people, however i regard "zionism" as simply another rightwing nationalism, its a tough choice
What this thread, primarily, is about, is the corrupt new, Israeli government, of Netanyahu. It is no different, IMO, to call it out, than it is anti-American, to criticize our own Freedom Caucus' deals with McCarthy, or to condemn any of Trump's machinations, to escape justice, and to stay in power, after losing an election; not to mention his appointees, who were often more interested in dismantling their agencies, rather than effectively running them.
internet forums are so touchy and badly informed that to even call attention to the differences between ant-zionism and anti-semetic. opens up a whole can of worms sometimes, and yes i have read of the roots of zionism and the strange bedfellows lol
I admit it takes a bit of experience with world events before one gains the knowledge and wisdom to see through the Arab propaganda. And how they pay lip service to a "liberal democracy," all the while being fully capable, willing, and able to burn down the same institutions they claim to care about. It's all a game with them. And they are playing the gullible.
If you will read on in any news article on the subject, including your own, scrolling past the legal challenges, you can find out what he's doing. It's written plain as day. Pay attention to what he's doing to get the Arabs whining. Don't listen to the legal troubles aspect as that's a separate thing to mislead you against Netanyahu's Government based on past history not current actions. And it's the current actions that matter.
The current action, I saw, was presumably a plan to weaken their Judiciary, to alleviate Bebe's legal troubles. So your telling me to ignore that, would be sort of like, prior to the House Speaker vote, assuring me not to worry, because the Jim Jordans and Marjorie Taylor Greenes of the Republican Party are not going to be given Committees to devote to ludicrous, partisan witch hunts. Also, the article that I snipped, said that most mainstream Israeli politicians want nothing to do with Netanyahu-- are these the ones, you are calling his "Arab" opposition? Instead of listening to them, I should trust that an indicted leader, working with extremist, fringe groups and ultra-orthodox, religious Parties-- in "past history," that is-- is the best thing for Israel, and for the world? I'm afraid I'm not buying that. If "what he's doing," is both what matters, and is as "plain as day," why don't you give us a brief rundown on that? Think of it as...well, as almost like making a debate argument.
Well, like I was saying, The Israeli Supreme Court is known to rule in favor of Arabs in Israel, including a pro-terrorism slant. It has been used to shield terrorists and give funding to them. It's run by persons who are well-known collaborators with anti-Israeli elements in that country. Providing legal defense of Arab terrorists, not just appointed to defend them, but actually going out of the way to shield Arab terrorists from the law. Now that Arabs know that the game is almost up, they will whine all the more that Netanyahu's Government is criminal. Don't buy their lies. They are using the institutions of a "liberal democracy" to destroy Israel from within.
Well you explained your own take on things, but did not present a case, to convince anyone else, of your view. Look at the part of your quote, highlighted in violet. How could you not realize that such explosive accusations, like that the Israeli Supreme Court is "run by... well-known collaborators" with those having anti-Israeli sentiments, calls for more than just your own say-so? It is just wildly hyperbolic sounding, and requires some explanation, as to how such a situation could possibly develop. The impression it gives, is simply that you disagree with some of the Court's rulings-- because you are a better judge of Jewish law, than their own Supreme Court-- and so favor a weakening of this leg of their governmental balance of powers. It is very similar to the views of Trump supporters, who'd felt that he should've have had a freer hand to act, when he was President. Of course, the same people now champion the Court's power to inhibit Biden from acting. It is a very short-sighted perspective, and one that tilts any government towards becoming an autocracy. Your charge, that the Israeli Supreme Court, would have a "pro terrorist slant," is just unbelievable. You are going to have to do more than just state that, to convince any reasonable person of it.
I have ro admit, I don't have your experience with world events and your knowledge and wisdom to see through the Arab propaganda. My excuse is that also Israeli media don't have your experience with world events and your knowledge and wisdom to see through the Arab propaganda, because my source of information are Israeli media.
Especially funny considering one of the principle reasons for opposing the AXIS powers was rejecting the premise of annexation and conquest. And then we enabled conquest by financial bribery as a 'better option'. Completely laughable. I do imagine there will be a settlement eventually, but no foreign power will be able to make a settlement happen. That will only happen when both sides recognize that total annihilation is foolish. Oh, and it's not our problem. In the same breath as the European Conflict needlessly draws in the US. I'm tired of our country being a military contractor for foreign powers.
perhaps a "civilization state" would make sense here for a short time ridding the country of those who would hide behind legal technicalities as they strive to overturn the rule of law? a few firing squads on the evening news might be ugly but would end the trumpist overturn of american democracy and set an example for those who would try such in the future.
Wasnt just financial. The Jews (re?)conquered Israel using our leftover weapons we gave them from WW2. Some claim its actually cheaper to just give obsolete weapons to other countries than it is to decomission/scrap them. Which maybe is sorta financial... but one has to wonder about the govt that would rather give weapons and equipment to other govts than auction them to its own citizens and actually make some money back while also keeping them relatively 'in house'. Tho it was prolly cheaper either way to leave a lot of that stuff 'over there' than try to ship it home. What to do with arms stockpiles after a war has always been a befuddling issue... but handing them over to an invading army couldn't have been the only solution...
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