New German Battle Ship capable to fire projectiles into space

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  1. gnoib

    gnoib Well-Known Member

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    No, Dayton. The Hanse is this oldest and longest lasting trade organization ever.
    My family became Hanse in the early 1000. I have been able to trace it back to 1023. Than in the 1870s my grand grand uncle was one of the leaders and did the negotiations with Bismarck, about getting the Hanse Cities into the Customs Union, which than lead to the German Reich.
    The Hanse covered a huge territory, based on trade and sometimes military power, naval power.
    It is one of the most important piece of European history, to often forgotten and or recognized.
    Why ?
    Its the EU
    Take a look at the History of the Hanse, its a serious eye opener.
    Over 1000 years and it is still there.
     
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    gnoib Well-Known Member

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    We fix them, but that is it, I live in CO.
    CO can do some fixing without the credit card.
    But the Feds, nope all credit card, just fixing.
    Where are the next generation of transportation and the billions it needs, absolutely nowhere. None in sight.
    With our economy, 2 point plus GDP, we should be raking in billions, to invest into the future, without the credit card, which is maxed out.
    Their economy is just growing at a measly 0.6, horrible, close to recession, they barely managed to get passed a recession mid year.
    But still they raked in over 40 billions in surplus, through out the country, not including the profits from their social systems.
    They have been doing that for a decade
    Don't you wonder, what the hell is that country doing right ?
    What is it ? Ain' t the military spending or stuff like that.
    Aint the entitlement programs or infrastructure.

    How does a highly industrialized country, with one of the world leading social systems and the premium health insurance and care systems in the world can make a profit, year after year, thru out its government systems.
    And the US ?
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Why do we need next generation transporation in the U.S.?
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In 1975, I was in the Navy. We were sitting off the north coast of Russia when coming from Russia, a bogey approached at such an unbelievable speed that we were immediately at general quarters and were sure it was a missile. Turned out to be an SR-71. The speed was so far above speeds that were ever declassified for it.

    Every time the Soviets built a plane that they even claimed to be as fast as the SR-71, we just declassified the speed a little more. I still can't tell you just how fast it was coming in our direction but I am here to tell you, it was so much faster than any published speed that it's just incredible. Unfortunately, I don't remember the altitude it was at.

    Considering what we knew then about hypersonic speeds, I'm not surprised by anything we claim we can do in that regard today.
     
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    The SR-71s official max speeds was just above 2,000 mph. Or just over Mach 3 but there have been indications that it could reach 4,000 mph or faster. The SR-71 was specifically designed to deal with the incredible heat though. The sections of the airplane were put together so loosely that fuel literally dripped from almost every point on the plane while it was sitting on the runway before taking off. The heat was so intense during a mission that the crew could not touch the INSIDE of the cockpit windows with their gloved hands due to the heat.

    There were also reports that if you touched the outside of the SR-71 with a pencil lead lightly before it took off it would result in a hole burning through the skin of the airplane.

    In short, yeah atmospheric heating is a big deal.
     
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    Because it creates technologies, which can be exported, for example.
    You leave that to the rest of the world, you will eventually have to import it.
     
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    Levant Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "4,000 mph or faster." Interesting. I'm not free to confirm nor deny.
     
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    show us some proof, please.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Germany never even tried to conquer Europe. All the Germans did, was defend themselves!
     
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    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    Have you seriously never heard of the Holocaust? Sorry if you are serious, you are beyond help.
     
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    Hmmmm,
    you are beyond reality.
    First there was the pact with the Russians regarding Poland (which both Germany and Russia invaded on the same day), then there was France and all the other countries Hitlers Nazi Germany fukked up.
    Tell us, in which world or time are you living in? Never went to school? Or are you just bluntly ignoring, or hey, maybe you are a worshipper of the Third Reich?
    Bloody hell
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Maybe she is a troll, winding us up.....
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    You can't be serious.....
     
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    They defended themselves in ...
    • Czechoslovakia
    • Austria
    • Poland
    • Denmark
    • France
    • British Channel Islands
    • Italy
    • Norway
    • Belgium
    • Netherlands
    • Russia
    • Ukraine
    • Africa
    • Greece
    • ... and some more I forgot.
    A little too much self-defense. Don't you think?
     
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    Nix bloody hell! Unlike you, I am not brainwashed... I go by facts! Poland had since WWI constantly attacked, molested and killed the German minority within Poland. It wanted still more land from Germany, namely Pomerania and East Prussia and keeping Danzig, of course. Hitler made numerous generous offers. Always silence. It went on for 20 years before Hitler's patience ran out and he had to act.

    Excerpt from Hitler's speech of September 19th, 1939:
    "....
    I finally decided—as I already said before the Reichstag—to talk to Poland in exactly the same language in which the Poles considered themselves entitled to talk to us, that is to say, the only language which they, apparently, are able to understand.
    ...."
    Read all here:
    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Uniting_Danzig.htm

    ~ ~ ~
    Alright, now let's deal with Russia, also from his above speech:

    "In the meanwhile Russia has on her part found it necessary to march into Poland to safeguard the interest of the White Russian and Ukrainian minorities there. We are now experiencing the phenomenon that England and France look upon this co-operation between Germany and Russia as a monstrous crime. One Englishman actually described it as perfidy—after all, they ought to know.
    ....
    At this point I want to make one thing quite clear: Russia remains what she is and Germany will remain what she is. But both regimes have agreed on one point, namely, that neither the Russian nor the German regime is willing to sacrifice a single man in the interest of the Western democracies. A lesson of four years of war is enough for both States and both peoples. They know only too well that first one and then the other might in turn have the doubtful honor of fighting for the ideals of the Western democracies. Both these States and both these peoples therefore refuse this offer with thanks. We intend in the future to look after our own interests, and we have discovered that we can best safeguard those interests if the two greatest peoples and States come to an understanding."

    That is all the easier since the British assertion regarding the unlimited aims of German foreign policy is merely a lie. I am glad to be able to prove to British statesmen the falsity of this statement. Those British statesmen who continually declared that Germany intended to rule Europe as far as the Urals will now be delighted to learn the limits of Germany's political intentions.

    I believe, however, that it will deprive them of another pretext for war, since they declare that the very reason which forced them to fight against the present regime is because that regime was pursuing unlimited war aims.

    Well, Gentlemen of the Great British Empire, Germany's aims are definitely limited. We have discussed the matter with Russia who is after all the neighbor whose interests are most involved. England should therefore actually welcome the fact that an agreement between Germany and Soviet-Russia has been reached, for this agreement at the same time serves to dispel that nightmare about the alleged "world conquest aspirations" of the present German regime which robbed British statesmen of their sleep. They will be relieved to learn that it is not true that Germany either wants today or ever wanted to conquer the Ukraine. Our interests are very limited. Admittedly, we are determined to safeguard these interests against any danger and against any aggressor. And the past eighteen days furnish ample proof that we are not prepared to stand any nonsense.

    What the final political formation of this big region will finally look like will depend mainly on those two countries whose most vital interests are involved. Germany puts forward limited, but irrevocable demands, and she will realize these demands one way or another.
    Here, instead of a hotbed of trouble for Europe, Germany and Russia will bring about a situation which later on will be recognized as a relief from the tension. If the Western powers declare that this must not take place, and if England in particular declares that she is determined to oppose such development, if necessary by a war lasting three, or it may be five or even eight years, then I should like to reply as follows:

    Firstly, Germany accepted the final fixing of her frontiers in the West and in the South at a heavy sacrifice, in order thereby to bring about a final lasting peace. We believed that we had succeeded in this and I believe that we should have succeeded had it not been to the interests of certain war-mongers to create a disturbance of the peace in Europe.

    I have no warlike intentions against either England or France. Nor has the German nation any such intentions.
    Since I have been in office I have endeavored to re-establish gradually closer relations based on mutual confidence, especially with our opponents in the Great War. I endeavored to remove all the tension once existing between Italy and Germany, and I can now state that my efforts met with complete success.

    I went even further. I endeavored to obtain the same good relationship with France. Immediately after the settlement of the Saar question I solemnly renounced all claims to a revision of the frontier settlement in the west for all time and not merely in theory, but also in practice.

    You know my offers to England. I only had the great aim of concluding an honorable friendly relationship with the British nation. If all this has now been turned down and if England today believes that she must wage war against Germany, I should like to answer as follows: Poland will never rise up again in the form given to her by the Treaty of Versailles. For this not only Germany, but also Russia are in the last resort guarantors. If England now seems to be altering her objectives in this war, i.e. is in reality revealing her true objectives, I should like to comment on this. It is said in England that this war was naturally waged for Poland, but that this was only a secondary issue; more important is the war against the present regime in Germany. They do me the honor of mentioning me by name as the representative of this regime. If this is their real objective in this war, then I should like to give the following answer to the gentlemen in London: You can do me no greater honor than to think of me in this way."
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    In my humble opinion with the hindsight of 75 years, I can see that Hitler was too goodhearted and too naive.
    The treatment Germany received in Versailles should have shown him loud and clear the hate for Germany by the fixers of that treaty. Tread super careful and don't insult them in your speeches.
    If Poland had no fear in violating international law and treated the German minority with cruelty and massacres, it should have alerted him that they most likely acted on advice from a backer nation or even two. I don't know what he could or should have done. The British were just waiting to pounce on him. He simply was caught between a rock and a hard place.

    Also in hindsight we now know that Stalin was not to be trusted. He and his Communism had the ambition to conquer the world. He figured, let the Germans get weak fighting the Western powers and then he could finish them off from behind... and he almost did! General Patten had it right when he declared: "We killed the wrong pig!" He wanted to keep going and fight the Russians with the help of the remaining German army. Washington did not authorize that, but instead had him killed in a motor vehicle accident! And the German army was decimated through total neglect and starvation.
     
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    Utter rubbish!
     
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    I see you have not taken the time to reply to my post.
     
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    There never was a "PLAN" to conquer Europe! But we were attacked from all sides and had to go into other countries temporarily to ward off the enemies.
    Read Hitlers speech and you will get a better understanding and feeling for the situation at the time, than biased Wikipedia will give you.

    http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Uniting_Danzig.htm
     
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    Of course not! Never trust an evil German!
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, if I am beyond help, then what is the point bothering with me?
     
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    Which one?
     
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    Either your a holocaust denier or you believe it was the right thing. Either way your wrong.
     
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    No one was attacking Germany until they attacked Poland first. Then France and Britain sat on their butts until Hitler attacked in the west. You wouldn't have been attacked on all sides if Hitler wouldn't have broken his pact with Stalin and then a few months later declare war on the US.
     
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