New Harvard Research Says US Christianity Not Shrinking but Growing Stronger

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    This is a dangerous idea.

    One doesn't become a brain surgeon by studying history, government, human rights, or anything related.

    The same goes in other fields - one can be a stupendous physicist and not know jack about government. One can know how to get rich using our laws and not know jack about how to form good government. Etc.

    The people we need in government are those who seriously respect and care about government.

    We need people who know how and why government IS a solution, and what it takes to form government that can be a solution.
     
  2. Paul7

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    I happened to think Dr. Carson knows more about those subjects than Obama did, but the fact is brain surgeons aren't idiots, as was ridiculously claimed here.

    Many of us reject the notion that government is the solution, the Constitution is a restraint on government tyranny.
     
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    Suggesting that brain surgery is an indication of understanding of government is just plain ridiculous.

    Anyone who rejects the notion that our government is a solution needs to be taken out of government IMMEDIATELY.

    We need people who have a strong concept of how our government can work for America.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ben Carson is a unique black surgeon. The man is credited for advances to medicine.

    True blacks won't understand by studying history. all to know about Government, But Carson is unique there too. He clearly understands government.

    A good study of American Government is to divide it up into phases.

    Phase one was fighting for American freedom and construction of a constitution to give us that.

    Phase two was the outlaw Lincoln who believed Government includes invasions of states. Break them and force them to obey his will. No wonder he was assassinated.

    Phase three has to be the destruction of the South and then later the way the north attempted for a few years to help them recover. But when you destroy a man's state, it is difficult to try to become pals to that destroyer over a long period of time. (Today that hate exists against the South and Democrats condemn the South as of now.) Strange since during the war, they ran the South.

    Phase four has to include the indian wars where this nation went to war against the tribes. Tribes had thousands of years of freedom and were put to death or into camps. Sort of like concentration camps.

    Phase 5 has to include the changes to force on the public a tax on earnings.

    Phase 6 must also include a war in Europe taken part in by Democrat Wilson. Wilson got his job promising no war. But he was a typical Democrat and broke his promise.

    Phase 7 so far as Government is concerned has the modern era commencing with 1933 and FDR taking charge. FDR actively promoted essentials of what Hitler promoted. FDR put into place the Fascist scheme. Government took total charge. Democrats applaud him to this very day. FDR ran your life at the time. FDR forced rations on you. FDR only allowed particular products to be sold to you. You were not allowed to purchase a new car. All sales were used cars. Food to you was by permission.

    Reagan's main phase was kicking out the Communists.

    Trump may be phase 8. Time will tell
     
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    The Founders were all about limited government. How is that big government working out in Venezuela?
     
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    Trump is a GIGANTIC step backwards.

    He has NO respect for America's basic principles.
    He picks the inept, criminals and sex offenders to run our government, with his staffing a merry-go-round of failure.
    He can not work with ANY foreign nation, causing them to look elsewhere for their own economic and defense needs, while he laudes despotic dictators.
    He's demonstrated serious connections with Russia (including post election) and has forgiven them for attacking our democracy.
    His entire approach on our southern border is based on statements repeatedly proven false, mixed with white supremacist hate.
    He is resolutely working against healthcare in America - not just destroying what we have, but providing no replacement.

    The very idea that America NEEDED that is unimaginably preposterous.
     
  7. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lysander Spooner explains the constitution was for the then public but not the following public.

    For instance your parents contract to purchase a home. The parents die. The loan has no provision to later make the children obliged for the loan.
     
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    How is that "little government" working out in Somalia?

    The problem with this "limited government" thing is that the government that remains must be of the highest quality.

    And, what those who want to limit government aren't interested in good government AT ALL.

    For example, on regulation, the promoted alternative is that all regulation must be eliminated - forgetting that there were strong reasons that the American people saw each of those regulations as being fully justified by the problems that existed without those regulations. But, understanding that does take work - one has to read, to understand what came before, etc.
     
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    In most cases, the house is collateral for the loan. So, the entity making the loan gets repaid up to the value of the house.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I myself am the victim of others talking bad about me and spreading untruths.

    My story revolves around fastpitch softball. It was a rule that sponsors were limited to paying for tournaments, league entry fees and uniforms and balls.

    That is all I paid for.

    I was at North Lake Tahoe in a tournament to hear men ... adult men, telling each other I violated those rules in payments to my team players.

    I was fortunate to be there to refute them. I asked them how could they possibly know the state of my checkbook? Why tell lies about me as a sponsor. They only talked bad about me since my team was the number 1 ranked team of California and number 2 in America.

    I see a very similar series of claims made about Trump And the liars will keep lying.

    Examine your claims.

    He has NO respect for America's basic principles.

    You did not name any that i recall. We must learn what principles you allege he has no respect for.

    He picks the inept, criminals and sex offenders to run our government, with his staffing a merry-go-round of failure.

    Sounds as if the work done in screening those men is not blamed on the FBI, but blamed only on Trump. Do workers come to apply and put on the application they are criminals or sex offenders? Trump used the FBI to screen them.

    He can not work with ANY foreign nation, causing them to look elsewhere for their own economic and defense needs, while he laudes despotic dictators.

    A claim by you with no attempt to support said claims.

    Other nations must first be loyal to themselves and rely on their own leaders for such things. As to lauding the despots? I think you mean Kim and to that degree you are accurate. But notice his lauding. Not about the way they run their own government but based only on how the despot treats Trump. Trump wuld be unwise to attempt any treating by mistreating the despots. Trump praises the despots letters. I have yet to read any of them. Do not try to put Putin in the same category as Kim. They are polar opposites.

    He's demonstrated serious connections with Russia (including post election) and has forgiven them for attacking our democracy.

    What makes you create that fiction? He furthered the armed aggression vs Russia when he kept the Obama army on the border of Russia. Do you think Russia appreciates that army confronting them? Russia did not attack our Democracy. A lot of domestic efforts to ruin our democracy (using your definition) comes from Democrats all the time. They attack our democracy saying Trump never won. They attack our democracy making up stories about the president. He would have to dive deeper than Russians when we have our own domestic terrorists called Democrats and their army called Antifa.

    If you blame Russia add in blaming Facebook in the mix.

    His entire approach on our southern border is based on statements repeatedly proven false, mixed with white supremacist hate.

    Why must you attack Mexico by comments over race? Trump wants the same fence as did Bush and Obama. Only he wants it finished. Do you truly classify Mexicans as black people?

    He is resolutely working against healthcare in America - not just destroying what we have, but providing no replacement.

    Your terminology clearly comes from an educated man. Clearly you are product of some very hate ridden teaching. I once was a Democrat so I get it. I was once like you are.

    Obama did not give us national health care. In fact what he did was such an upset to health care it drove up prices of both medicine and also insurance. And his dictatorship took it to the insurance industry in a huge way. He forced them to pay bills for those who already had bills. And he forced millions into his flawed system known as the ACA where it required millions to pay or pay a steep penalty. How can a penalty be helping the poor?

    I personally objected to the ACA based on it's treatment of the poor, the doctors and even the insurance firms.

    You praise his virtual take over of the insurance business. That is lousy in my opinion.

    For the rest of Americans not on the dole, they got the benefit of huge price hikes in fees to insurance firms and such changes to policies they lost many of the programs they once had. Doctors fled the ACA. So you want Obama thanked? No this I will not do.



     
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    I was not trying to discuss the lenders, solely the contract. As to the lenders not losing out, what happens in a down market and the parents died?
     
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    Man if you think those are political statements I respectfully say there is no hope. Take just the first:

    " gayness must be a choice because prisoners who are raped come out gay"

    That is not only stupid and ignorant but it is also untrue. Just because there is a possibility that many conservative Christians believe such stupidity doesn't make it a political statement.

    And Carson was a brain surgeon. Now he is just an idiot.
     
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    Unfair.
    I suspect his IQ is at least 15 points higher than yours.
     
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    A great doctor told me his knowledge was narrow but deep. He know one thing and he knew it very well.

    Sounds like Carson
     
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    Most Muslim nations are screwed up to some degree.

    Who is proposing that?
     
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    At least, and 30 higher than yours.
     
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    Trump Derangement Syndrome
     
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    What's wrong with that? Sounds like expertise.
     
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    On one thing. Shut up about everything else
     
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    For one thing only
     
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    I don't think IQ works that way, do you?

    Really?
     
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    Those who are most oriented to ending regulation aren't even slightly oriented to determining which regulations are important.

    They move to wipe out the EPA. Trump proposes to cut their budget by a HUGE amount, leaving no ability to monitor ANY regulation regarding our environment.

    They move to wipe out the FDA by the same methods.

    They move to wipe out our healthcare coverage system with NO ALTERNATIVE!!

    The objective comes from the belief that government is unacceptable, so the solution is to kill government.
     
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    Are you kidding? My God that is hilarious
     
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    There are people who are formally trained in what most people regard as actual, practical government, and I don't mean PoliSci majors, though that is often a first step. I mean lawyers.

    The Founding Fathers were often lawyers

    We DO require that judges be lawyers, but when we say who can be judges over judges we have no such requirement.
     
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    Please read up a little on IQ before polluting this thread further.
     

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