New Orleans Shooting Injures 10 People Near French Quarter

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have already explained why I believe this, again — my opinion.
    If you have a study or source that disputes them I will be happy to consider it.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, a felon cannot be charged.
    Everyone else would be able to be charged.
     
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    Your supportable "opinion" is not a sound argument for the restrictions you seek.
    As such, rational, reasoned people will ignore it.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How does it limit their rights?
     
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    Delete
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never said it was, that it why I started with the words “I believe”.
    like I said, if you would like to show some evidence that my belief is invalid I would be happy to consider it.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you have a court case showing this?
     
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    I deleted my post. You are correct, Haynes specifically applies to convicted felons only.
     
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    I had never heard of the Haynes case until @vman12 sourced it and then you referenced it so I didn’t know if there was another one.
    I don’t always agree with SCOTUS decisions but they usually put a different prospective on the subject that I had not considered (probably why they are SCOTUS justices)
     
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    It is a precondition not inherent to the right that must be met before the right can be exercised - thus, a limit.
    You cannot demonstrate the necessity for, or efficacy of, that precondition - thus, an infringement.
     
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    The fact you cannot demonstrate the necessity for, or efficacy of, the limits you seek should tell you all you need to know.
    But, it doesn't.
     
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    If Flaco wants a gun, he can send his cousin to the gun store, buy one privately on the black market, 3D print one, or steal one. There is no law that will stop him from getting one. It is not reasonable to believe that the same person who would risk the penalty for murder would not risk breaking a gun law.

    Thats why Flaco is walking around armed while his next victim isn't.
     
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    Registration would stop your first example from happening or his cousin would also be charged. The black market would possibly be impacted by making owners transfer the gun and reregister it (just an assumption, could be wrong) — it would not effect the last two though, correct.
     
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    And all of these things are possible because criminals know they won't be prosecuted by existing laws if caught.

    They have no fear of the law, because in places where Democrats hold power, criminals are not held accountable.
     
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    Again, how does someone being automatically registered when they purchase a firearm cause any infringement?
     
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    The average "time to crime" on a firearm is 10 years, and a semi-intelligent criminal can defeat firearm registration with 5 minutes and a belt sander.
     
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    For what?
    He buys the gun, registers it, sells it to his cousin - presumably a felon, who cannot be force to register it - and reports it stolen.
    The cousin says he bought it from some guy in an alley.
    What good did the registration do?
     
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    The post you responded to explains this, in detail.
    Did you not understand the post?
     
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    It's a prerequisite for confiscation.

    Like this:

    https://www.level-headed.net/2013/05/gun-confiscation-in-america/

    California, 1997: The Roberti-Roos SKS Event
    [​IMG]The 1989 Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act required registration of “assault weapons” including the SKS Sporter within the state of California. This rifle is a very common military surplus weapon often imported from China. They are popular because they are inexpensive and some models can take standard AK-47 magazines. The Roberti-Roos Act allowed people in California to keep their SKS Sporters, even if they had the detachable magazine, so long as they passed a background check and registered them with the state.

    [​IMG]In 1997, Attorney General Daniel Lungren decided that he had changed his mind, after which these same rifles, dutifully registered by many law-abiding gun owners, were no longer legal. No change had occurred in the law; the AG simply changed his mind and with the stroke of a pen, ordered anyone in possession of these rifles to turn them in, ship them out of state, or have them destroyed. The letters to the right are from this page. More information regarding this matter can be found here and here.
     
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    He would not be allowed to sell to a felon and of it was registered then that would come up on the background check. If he continued through with the sale he would be charged.
     
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    And yet, I described exactly how he could do it, and get away with it.
    What good did the registration do?
     
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    I cannot access the links from the NRA as they require passwords. It reads to me that if they did not register the weapon prior to the date that they were in violation. In the example during Hurricane Katrina, were those weapons seized due to registration lists or were they seized if police encountered them? I definitely disagree with weapon confiscations, especially during a natural disaster — that would be when they are needed most.
     
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    Except you didn’t, the cousin would still be charged.
     
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    No.

    The SKS owners in CA were told they could keep their rifles, they'd just need to register them.

    Then after they were registered, they changed their mind and decided to confiscate them. If you didn't turn in your legally purchased firearm that was retroactively outlawed after registration, you'd be made a felon.

    'Course, you can steal an SKS and it would only be a misdemeanor since it's valued below $1k AND you couldn't get in trouble for not registering it.....having stolen it.

    Do you not see how this enables crime and criminals?
     
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    His cousin was jumped into the set and is already on his way to a life of crime. Registration did nothing to stop him. He has already been selling illegal drugs for months, but has a clean record. These criminals don't care about laws.

    For those who live in those gang infested neighborhoods, the taxes, registration fees, the new background check fees on ammo purchases, make it difficult to afford a gun or the ammo to learn how to use it. The wealthy can afford the fees, but live in safer neighborhoods.

    I am still trying to find a benefit.
     

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