New Power to the President, Declassify in Mind?

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  1. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    Where does it say it doesn't?
     
  2. Lucky1knows

    Lucky1knows Well-Known Member

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    I am willing to debate the issue.

    Let me start on the Biden vs Trump issue

    1) Caring about others is the basis for helping others, do you agree? If you do not care about others (only about yourself), you are not likely to do anything for the benefit of others if it doesn't help you first and to the highest degree, am I wrong?

    Biden is an empathic man (as stated by Forbes Magazine, which is a right leaning media source)

    (How Empathy Defines Joe Biden)

    Meaning that he cares about others because he feels the pain and need of other people.

    On the other side of the coin, Trump is a narcissist that only cares about himself

    The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President

    As such, Trump is more likely to cause pain on others than Biden.

    Competency:

    I cannot say that Biden is all that competent but compared to Trump, Biden is "more" competent.

    Trump failed miserably during his entire life

    TrumpFailures.jpg

    and during his presidency, more failures than successes occurred:

    5 epic failures of Donald Trump that illustrate the U.S.’s decline

    The 55 worst things Trump did during his presidency

    As far as Biden is concerned, his presidency is not over so he cannot be given a clear grade but at least he has competent people working with and for him. Trump had the biggest turnover rate ever in the record of American presidencies. He fired more people than any other president and the people he did keep where all "yes men" that did what Trump wanted or were fired. With Trump being incompetent himself, it stands to reason that the incompetency in Trump's administration was bigger than in Biden's.

    Your turn now. Please debate (meaning keep opinion and emotions out and present data and facts).



     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Prove it;.
    Where does it say he does?
     
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  4. Cybred

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    So he decides to declassify something for someone he's with but doesn't tell them?
     
  5. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How much empathy was shown for those who were betrayed Joe, re the Afghanistan withdrawal?
    empathy for the oil line workers when told to build solar panel?
    I have no defense for Trump I won't ever vote for Him although some policies were way better than Joe Joe's
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you asking me what they were protesting? I wasn't there. You non-Trump types have some lame excuses. Half of them overstay visas so lets just ignore the other half?
    Logic is your friend. Try it sometime
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whatever turns you on.
     
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    You had a chance to put forth your sides stunning achievements :)

    Here one!
    Recession fears mount as stocks fall sharply (msn.com)


    :applause::applause::applause::applause:
     
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  9. Lucky1knows

    Lucky1knows Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately for your argument, the reality is that we were only given 2 choices (Biden or Trump) and therefore the decision is not about what either of them did (or did not do) but about which of the two is the better choice.

    I have proven that Biden was a better choice than Trump. Arguing anything else is idiotic. Criticizing for the sake of criticizing is idiotic. Every single person in this earth can be found to have done something for which to be criticized and doing that only makes you a critic and not a rational human being that has to make choices every day as to which is better and/or worse. Such is life and that is why arguing with you is useless. You don't address the issues from a common sense everyday life kind of way where often the choice is between better or worse.

    Have a nice day and please don't slam the door on the way out!
     
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    and you blame Biden for it, of course, right?

    Here is a fact that happened on Friday that had nothing to do with Biden but if affected the entire world!

    UK’s Biggest Tax Cuts Since 1972 Trigger Crash in Pound, Bonds
    • Package costing £161 billion is aimed at stimulating economy
    • Economists say measures will add to inflation and debt
    How is Biden to blame for this?
     
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    no, you haven't neither one was a good candidate, I don't compromise, they have to earn my vote, I will say that the Dems have screwed me over many times and have **** on me enough about my beliefs, so you will NEVER have enough proof for me, your position is as compromised as Joe's brain
     
  12. Cybred

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    Well that's what your saying.
     
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    I couldn't care any less about the working of the UK.
     
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  14. Lucky1knows

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    So, you voted for Trump, right?

    If you are going to complain about the choices given to us, you should start criticizing the system we have in place where money and special interests are what causes all good candidates from ever having a chance to even run. If you are not willing to bought by the rich who want things their way, they will bury you to where you have NO CHANCE to even run, be nominated, and much less win.

    A person with morals, ethics, principles and humanity is a deadly combination for the rich who want to run things their way and for their benefit. They don't want morality, principles and much less humanity. These rich people give huge amounts of money for advertising, for bribery, for anything and everything that will bury the opposition and make the person that is going to help them personally, win.

    As such, criticize the "CAPITALIST" system we have for allowing this to happen and not the poor souls that try to do their best but have people to answer to.........and I don't mean the public.......I mean the person running the strings.

    Trump has clearly stated that he knows the ropes on how to scam and enrich himself. You prefer to have that person in charge? At least Biden, tries to help others even though he is handicapped by the same special interests. Trump supports those special interests and gives them much more than Biden does, given the he himself is a special interest. By the way, you are not going to get anything from those special interests. You are just an ant running around screaming your tiny lungs out and if they hear you, you are more likely to be stepped on than not. They don't care about you. Trump doesn't care about you. The Republicans don't care about you. They care about themselves.
     
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  15. Lucky1knows

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    nonetheless, it was what caused OUR stock market to fall and is helped the recession here occur. I thought your post was all about the recession, wasn't it?
     
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    Great job at missing the hyperbole...lol
     
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    no, it's every time I post at the bottom my tagline and I said it before and almost daily since joining this board
     
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    What caused and still continuing to inflate and raise inflation has little to do with UK and all to do with to many dollars in the system.. We have been here before only this time it's really going to stink ;)
     
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    It was sarcasm on my part. The fact is that anytime a person criticizes someone, it means that he has a better solution and in the case of Biden versus Trump, if you criticize Biden you must think that Trump is/was a better solution. Otherwise, why criticize if you cannot offer something better?
     
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    I think Jo Jorgenson was the choice, sarcasm is lost here sometimes
     
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    No it doesn't. There are many things (not just one) that bring inflation and in this particular case, the root of the problem was the pandemic and no one is guilty of having caused that. After that, there were many other factors, which Biden was one of them but in a VERY SMALL WAY!

    By the way, you should be aware that I am a stock market analyst and have been one for 47 years. This is what I do every day of my life. Study the market and all factors that affect it. It is my livelihood and given that I have been successful at it for all this time, means I must be doing something right.
     
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    This has been decided in court of law already... Trump gets to decide what to keep..

    Judge Amy Jackson ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.

    https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-co.../JW-v-NARA-Clinton-Tapes-transcript-01834.pdf

    video here
    https://justthenews.com/politics-po...-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact

    https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1560234754292813827

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    It was ok when Obama and Clinton did it. Why all the butthurt now?
     
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    :blahblah::blahblah: Just like that other poster, you guys/gals need to get together and tell all the leading economist how wrong they are about whats the biggest driver up to and continuing to drive inflation gains..
     
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    Lets start with the business failures. The average number of failures in any start up is 50% in five years. Across the board.
    I've founded 8 businesses, one failed. My rate is 12.5%. My bank had no problem continuing to do business with me because they understood it was circumstances and not me that caused the failure.

    Trump has about 600 businesses. if eight went under, his rate is 0.013% Trump also licenses the Trump brand. He does not necessarily own companies who have the right to use the name, but his critics will blame him anyway.

    Most everything else you and others try to use to increase trump hate is equally invalid, and reflects on the people doing it, their values and their motives. I can counter your list of issues with a Washing ton newspaper (Washington Examiner) that listed 100 Biden mistake in the first 100 days. Various lists like this are long, and unfortunately usually not just gaffes, but things harmful to people and nation. But of course- if you intended to develop a balanced view, you would have already seen them. When you are short on facts, you go to allegations and smears. Trump's heard them all, and stands strong anyway. The man does have an ego- and it seem to serve as bulletproof to the abuse of the dems, much to their frustration.

    Most every business owner has been an employee or in a beginner position, so they understand a lot of how such people see things. However, very few of those people have been business owners- and have no idea how they work or what it takes. You can be sued because someone doesn't like the color of your tie- but the ignorant thinks if someone sued you, it means you cheated them. Ignorance. When you can't tell the difference in bad government and good, that label is appropriate.

    Where you chose to collect your "proof" from (AKA cow-pie evidence in this case) makes a huge difference- because the standard of honor in politics and a lot of political supporters has evaporated. They don't ask or care if an allegation is true or fair, only if they can use it to argue and smear those they oppose. There's nothing to prove to such people because truth is not relevant to their objective, and the level of pure hate propaganda they want to feed on is unlimited. . Waste of time.

    When you first posted, I thought we might have a new open open minded, thinking member. I was mistaken. But you won't be lonely.
     

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