New Republican bill would make the AR-15 the ‘national gun’

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Bowerbird, Feb 26, 2023.

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Is this a good or bad idea

  1. Great idea I hope it passes with bells on

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  2. I like it but they could be spending time on more important things

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  3. I neither like nor hate it

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  4. I hate the idea and they absolutely should be spending time on more worthwhile projects

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  5. May their districts be redrawn and they lose their seats

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  1. Bowerbird

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    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...blican-bill-make-ar-15-national-gun-rcna72143

    Follow the money and the gun manufacturers of America must be getting very scared about a pending ban on “assault” rifles. The American gun market is extremely lucrative so it is understandable that they would not like to see that dry up.

    But one wonders what other work these members are not doing while they are playing with this time wasting idiocy (I.e. developing plans to fix the economy, identifying ways in which the health care system could be improved)
     
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    Not the worst idea, but there's better things they could be doing.

    Also the AK is a better platform :D

    Really this is just the ol' pendulum swing. In the same way that trying to ban abortion makes it a rally point that sinks the 2022 congressional elections, trying to ram through more gun control just leads to stuff like this.

    Stop trying to ban **** already. Everyone. Plz.
     
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    the more leftwing anti gun trolls blather in the news about wanting to ban these rifles, the more are bought by people who are just tired of anti gun Karens. The anti gun twits have made the R 15 the most commonly owned rifle in America.
     
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    Just incredible, not only the priorities, but the clear lackeyism, towards the gun industry.

    BTW, since I'm guessing that you were neither the person who'd liked this idea, nor who'd thought it was a great one-- don't you vote, in your own polls?
     
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    Have you ever thought that if you leftists stop the charade of pretending gun banning is crime control, when we all know it is nothing more than blatant attempts to harass people who don't buy into your political agenda, this sort of stuff wouldn't happen? I realize you all hate the gun industry because it often supports conservative politicians but it is clear to many of us that the facade of crime control is not even able to pass a smell test any more
     
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    The national gun should be the 12 gauge shotgun. So easy to load and fire your grandmother could do it. And hit what she's aiming at.
     
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    No I wanted to wait unit others had voted :p
     
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    It won’t strip petty theft or Jaywalking but it WILL reduce the mass murder rate
     
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    You would trust a half blind Ga ga Grandma with a shotgun? You lot do enjoy living dangerously
     
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    We can't call the collision a cough or national weapon.
     
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    that's inane given that AR 15s are used in less than one percent of the murders-and that includes similar rifles. and one has to be rather stupid to believe that someone who is willing to commit mass murder will obey a stupid gun ban
     
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    Your assumptions about the motivations of those calling for responsible gun legislation, makes it difficult to actually have a conversation about this, with you. The fact, is that the mass killings, with guns-- which you know very well, the ones that I & anyone else means, though you may again resort to the questioning of the definition of a "mass shooting," or of an "assault rifle;" or else, just brush it off, even though hundreds die this way, every year, because it is only a small percentage of overall gun deaths (most of which are suicides, I believe); or else take the deflective tack, by making some silly, supposed analogy between AR-15s and automobiles-- are both RISING, and are overwhelmingly perpetrated with the SAME WEAPONS (your argument about how many other weapons, supposedly, could replace the AR-15, and be just as deadly, notwithstanding).

    Therefore, think of the argument to regulate these weapons, akin to the "trickle down" economic argument, from the Right; that is, until we really give it a try, the idea of banning the weapon we hear of, over & over again, being used in these completely pointless massacres, is going to seem sensible, to anyone who is not so deeply immersed, as yourself, in gun culture. If our doing this-- and all understand, that there are a complement of causes, feeding this phenomenon (mental health, et cetera) which will also need be addressed-- does not, at all, lessen the problem, then we will be more open to hearing alternative solutions (like arming everybody, and so on).

    Before that eventuality comes, however, your arguments have the distinct ring, to the unindoctrinated among us as, at best, denialism. I would add, that you have argued no real need for this particular weapon, nor offered any compelling counter-argument, of the down-side of this course. Oh yes, we hear that this will mean that only the criminals will then have the most serious fire-power (but wait-- I thought these assault rifles were supposed to be no different than any other gun; those seem contradictory arguments, no?)-- but how often do we hear of a civilian "good guy with a gun," saving the day, with his own assault weapon? The only two that come to my mind, and both happened recently, were of unarmed individuals, foiling such attacks, one in a gay club, and the other in an Asian dance studio.

    So, in reality, your objections read most like an irrational paranoia, that banning any gun, will put us on the slippery slope to banning all guns. I do not know why it does not occur to you, that such an argument is only going to gain traction, with a very limited audience.
     
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    And how many mass murders are they used in? Surely you agree that just reducing the number of high victim mass shootings is a GOOD thing?
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    there is absolutely NOTHING RESPONSIBLE about Leftist gun control schemes. nothing you all propose is designed to actually decrease crime-rather it is designed to pretend something is being done without harming violent felons. I don't NEED to prove NEED to exercise a right. People who think as you do are a really strong argument why those of us who oppose the nanny state ought to be well armed
     
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    once again-why would someone planning mass murder be deterred by a gun ban?. Less than one hundredth of one percent of AR 15s are used in mass shootings
     
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    Gee Wow! A 60 year old comedy :roll:

    Truth is tens of thousands of Americans face the dilemma of what to do when a family member is diagnosed with dementia and has guns in the house

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8484338/
     
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    Reduction of unnecessary deaths is not irresponsible
     
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    Oh, well now, you have convinced me.



    I had just been trying to give you another, I think very common, perspective. If you choose to reject it, it would seem to me that you are proving my initial assertion:

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    Your assumptions about the motivations of those calling for responsible gun legislation, makes it difficult to actually have a conversation about this, with you.
     
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    1) it is already illegal to use a firearm to harm an innocent in any way shape or form
    2) we have constitutional rights to keep and bear arms-even ones that cause liberals to get upset
    3) every scheme democrats push is designed to restrict objectively harmless behavior by lawful people while pretending it will impede those who care not about the consequences of multiple murder or seriously felony convictions
    4) laws restricting honest gun owners are invariably the product of democrat activists who almost never show any ire towards violent criminals. rather they insult and berate gun rights activists and groups such as the NRA
     
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    you fail to prove your anti gun schemes in a country where you neither are a citizen nor count, will do that
     
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    Are you basing this claim on the idea that someone looking to murder a buncha folks will be like 'oh I can't buy an AR so I guess nevermind'?
     
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    Reduction of unnecessary deaths is not irresponsible
     
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    No. Basing it on the fact that mass shooting decreased during the last assault rifle ban
    https://www.aafp.org/about/policies/all/gun-violence.html
     

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