New York AG Sues Trump Family for Financial Fraud

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't know who you are responding to, but I think Bragg is done after the Weisselberg trial, regardless of what he's saying publicly.

    James completely ignored him in her presser. If I were to guess, I'd go with some bad blood between those 2...

    She obviously read what Pomerantz said when he quit....
     
  2. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Aside from Weisselberg, there are also the charges against the Trump Org itself. While I don't see Bragg having the balls to go after Donald, I doubt he'll simply drop the charges that his team has already made against the Trump Org.
     
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    LoL nothing is more embarrassing than the Biden "family".

    I don't need armor. I can just put my palm on your forehead.
     
  4. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah, you are correct. When I say Weisselberg, I meant the Trump.Org charges.... they just stick together in my head...

    He'll see that through and that will likely be that for him... until he's voted out by a WIDE margin in his reelection bid...

    Nobody likes a coward...but I still hope he wins this case.
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    AN indictment is against ONE person and it had to do with HIM not Trump. For two years and then it DIED, nothing since last APRIL. It was led by a leading US Attorney until he gave up and resigned.

    Why is this AG claiming she is going to make a referral back to them when she hasn't even named a crime?

    Lawfare Runs Amok in the Latest Civil Lawsuits against DeSantis and Trump

    The essential quality of “lawfare” is the use of the legal system to impose costs on political enemies. Often, the process itself is the punishment, with the ultimate success of an investigation, lawsuit, or prosecution being beside the point. When civil lawsuits are involved, major warning signs of abusive lawfare include the assertion of technical violations of law without any proof of loss or harm to any particular person; lawsuits brought by people with no standing to sue because they have suffered no personal injury; requests for relief far broader than what the allegations justify; assertions of legal violations that don’t really exist or have no support in the facts alleged; and filings that include a lot of superfluous political rhetoric. This week brought two prominent examples: a federal class-action complaint filed Tuesday against Ron DeSantis in Massachusetts over his flight of 50 Venezuelan migrants to Martha’s Vineyard; and a civil complaint filed Wednesday against Donald Trump by New York attorney general Letitia James in state court in Manhattan....


    Then, there’s the New York AG’s case against Trump, which is plainly intended to make up for the failure thus far of a bushel of federal, state, and local investigations in New York to produce any indictment of Trump. It is extremely obvious that none of this is about finding a crime and pinning it on the guilty; these have all been investigations in which the investigators decided who they wanted to charge for reasons of politics, and combed through the law books and Trump’s business searching for something to charge. That is a texbook example of abuse of prosecutorial power. The theory of the current lawsuit is that Trump and his business misled lenders, insurers, and the government by inflating the value of Trump’s business. As I have explained in detail here and here, there are three core, interrelated problems with suing or prosecuting Trump for misleading his lenders and other businesspeople:

    1. The government has yet to show that anybody was actually harmed — e.g., a lender who never got paid back. The fundamental purpose of the civil and criminal law is to remedy injuries, not simply to play “gotcha.”
    2. Even under laws that do not require proof of loss or damage or proof of reliance on misrepresentations, the government typically still has to prove materiality — i.e., that the lies actually mattered.
    3. In contesting materiality, it is entirely fair game and usually considered legally relevant and admissible that you were lying to sophisticated people who knew the truth and didn’t care, or could easily determine it, or dealt regularly with this kind of thing in the real-estate business and discounted self-valuations accordingly.
    The attorney general strains to interpret provisions of New York Executive Law 63(12) to pursue a claim in which none of this matters, arguing that she can sue over things that never caused anybody to lose a penny. She admits, in fact, that Trump — who had suffered repeated business bankruptcies in the past following overly optimistic valuations of his businesses — was openly notorious for inflating his personal wealth:....
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...st-civil-lawsuits-against-desantis-and-trump/

    And this unbelievable stretch in her desperate filing

    "Trump Organization personnel made no disclosure at the January 10, 2017 meeting with [insurance] underwriters or at any time prior to binding the policies that incepted on January 30, 2017 about any circumstances involving Russia and the 2016 presidential election, including the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Ms. Veselnitskaya, or the effort to develop a Trump-branded property in Moscow. With the exception of the House Intelligence Committee investigation and Mueller investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, none of the investigations and inquiries referenced in AON’s February 8, 2019 claim notice, or the circumstances giving rise to those investigations and inquiries, had previously been disclosed by Trump Organization personnel to underwriters during renewal negotiations."

    WHAT...........he was subject to another TWO YEAR bogus investigation and she is trying to charge him with something or sue him because he didn't tell lenders about the Mueller investigation? A meeting that lasted all of 15 minutes before she was summarily dismissed. Even the Dems in Congress could not impeach him for anything to do with it and they sure would have had there been. Mueller couldn't charge him with anything to do with it, it was a nothingburger. But this AG puts it in her filing just as a "see you really are a bad person" nothing to do with a crime or a tort despite her strained attempts to make it one.
     
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  6. Izzy

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    double post
     
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  7. Izzy

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    Talk about breaking copyright rules...lol

    James said Trump & Co, committed fraud and listed examples.
     
  8. yardmeat

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    I see your historical revisionism is a recurring pattern. You tried claiming that the Trump Tower meeting never happened. That was objectively false. You tried claiming that all Trump wanted was a recount. That was also objectively false. You tried saying there were no fake electors. That was also objectively false. And that's not even getting into the numerous objectively false statements you've made about the secession and the Civil War.

    Now we come to the Trump Org. There were criminal charges against both the CFO and the Trump Org itself. The case hasn't been dropped. And aside from the already existing charges that you are incapable of acknowledging, the investigation is ongoing. Read. Learn.
     
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  9. Bluesguy

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    Oh geeezzzz here you go again, my cite SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGES it. Go back and try again. I fully acknowledged the court filings concerning fraudulent ballots and election law violations. There were alternate electors. Yes I acknowledge the CFO on the not paying taxes on some benefits he received.

    NONE of that and especially the fake Russian collusion thingy has anything to do with the AG's lawsuit.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Lack of rebuttal noted.
     
  11. Egoboy

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    Here is a good article of the history of the law James is using to go after the T**** Crime Family.... Apparently, it's what was used against the T**** University scam and the T**** Foundation scam, both successfully.

    Executive Law 63 (12)

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-battling-york-law-used-141553415.html

    I guess the primary difference here is the scale, since it's the same scumbag defendant...
     
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    What "investors"? The Trump crime family is a closely held business.
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    The banks and capital management firms which loaned the money.

    Try again

    Then why didn't the two year CRIMINAL investigation by Vance indict him for a crime? Why didn't any investors sue him?
     
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    Those are debtors not investors.
     
  15. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The money the bank and capital management firms lend is the investors money but since you can't seem to understand that I will revise and extend my remarks to include ALL lenders and investors.
     
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    What a totally ignorant response^! A debtor is clearly different from an investor.
    EDUCATE YOURSELF please before engaging with spin:

    Debt Investor vs. Equity Investor: What’s the Difference?
     
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  17. Izzy

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    error
     
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  18. Izzy

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    The only thing to note is how you conveniently ignore being proven wrong and reply with nonsense.
    Maybe spelling it will help you.
    F R A U D :roflol:

    James will forward to Bragg more than 200 examples of "fraud". involving false or misleading asset valuations.
     
  19. Izzy

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    Trump's lawyer Ms, Habbahabbhabba is in the spotlight again.
    Pinocchio syndrome under oath.

    Docs seized by FBI at Mar-a-Lago may also incriminate Trump in NY fraud case
    BREAKING: Documents seized by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago may also incriminate Donald Trump in the New York fraud case, as AG James indicates Trump hid subpoenaed docs at Mar-a-Lago.

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/docume...ple_of_the_state_of_summons___complaint_1.pdf

    Page 198 of AG James complaint indicates docs seized at Mar-a-Lago include . . . “correspondence related to taxes, and accounting information,” and even though they were “responsive to OAG’s subpoenas,” “no such documents were produced” by Trump.
     
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    Someone needs to tell Habba that she's too stupid and arrogant to ever get away with her deluded accusations, lies and corrupt actions trying to defend the amoral Trump.


    Days before Mar-a-Lago subpoena, Trump lawyer claimed she scoured his office, closets and drawers

    "A filing by Alina Habba in the case over Trump’s business empire could create exposure in the matter of classified information being stored at the ex-president’s home.

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    "The DOJ came to believe that Trump’s team had withheld and concealed many additional classified documents, which led to the Aug. 8 search warrant executed by the FBI. | Joe Raedle/Getty Images

    By KYLE CHENEY

    08/31/2022 12:41 PM EDT

    "Just six days before the Justice Department subpoenaed to recover highly sensitive documents housed at Mar-a-Lago, one of Former President Donald Trump’s attorneys scoured the estate searching for records in response to a separate legal matter.

    The attorney, Alina Habba, told a New York State court that on May 5, she conducted a search of Trump’s private residence and office at Mar-a-Lago that was so “diligent” it included “all desks, drawers, nightstands, dressers, closets, etc.” She was looking for records in response to a subpoena issued by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is investigating matters related to the Trump Organization.

    The same filing also includes an affidavit from Trump himself, indicating that he “authorized Alina Habba to search my private residence and personal office located at The Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida for any and all documents responsive to the Subpoena.” Habba indicated she conducted similar searches at Trump’s residences and office at his Bedminster estate."

    cont"

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/...ed-she-scoured-trumps-office-closets-00054369
     
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    ~ If there is credible evidence then Letitia James should proceed with indictment . She will never get a Grand Jury.
    Trump-O and family were already investigated. I think some people may have forgotten ... :blankstare:
    70nX5eU.jpg
     
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    The SDNY ALREADY INVESTIGATED THEM..........................why do you keep ignoring that?

    Which lender/investor filed a complaint that they were defrauded and suffered loses as a results?
    Where those documents listed on the search warrant?
     
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    Who supplies the capital to the lenders, the investors in that capital management firm or the people who put their money in the bank.

    Stop with your quibbling.

    Who files a lawsuit claiming they were defrauded?
     
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    So will you be the first Trump supporter to take me up on my friendly wager? Trump gets off scot-free on this, I'll donate $100 to the charity of your choice. If he ends up having to pay, you pay $5 to the charity of my choice, and it won't even be a political one. I'll even give you a list of a dozen charities and let you pick. Something tells me your confidence here is fake.
     

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