New York Attorney General Sues to Dissolve NRA

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Why listen to facts, logic, and common sense when you have a different opinion?
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And the number one and ONLY cause of ALL those deaths caused by guns is GUNS.

    You can't kill someone with a gun that isn't there.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And a gun cannot be used to kill someone unless a person pulls the trigger, cease blaming the symptom and try to solve the actual problem and while you are at it mind your own damm business and leave the law abiding alone.
     
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    September eleventh proves otherwise. As does every other murder in the united states that does not involve the use of a firearm.
     
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    Why listen to facts, logic, and common sense when you have a different opinion?
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Feel free to post some facts. Guns have never killed anyone. Obesity is not due to lack of fork control.
     
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    Bump Stocks were stupid. I know of no one who had any problem with banning them.

    The NRA most certainly has endorsed Trump. Gun sales have been fairly soft during the Trump presidency, though since the rioting, there has been a tremendous run on both guns and ammo, with shortages currently, and over 40% of gun buyers are first time buyers. Gun sales would skyrocket under Biden/Harris.

    NY AG’s efforts to dissolve NRA look even worse upon closer examination

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    But what did you expect?


    Trying to dissolve the entire organization would be nearly unprecedented. It also stinks to high heaven when you consider that we’re in the final months of a presidential election and she’s set herself up as attempting to take out a political enemy rather than addressing any possible corruption in the group’s upper management.

    Even liberals who go out of their way to bash the NRA and its pet cause are saying that James is misusing her power and authority.
    We never even dissolved the teamsters and they were mafia owned and into everything from protection rackets to murder.
    She’s doing this for baldly obvious political reasons.
     
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    I have a problem with the ban. The executive branch doesn't have the Constitutional authority to ban them.
     
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    I believe that very point is being litigated, though SCOTUS chose not to prevent the ban from going into effect while the case is working its way through the courts. We'll see what the courts determine.
     
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    They didn't BATF banned them through a redefinition..
     
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    Josh Sugarmann comments:

    "For decades our organization has studied and exposed the inner workings of the NRA and its transformation from a shooting sports organization to a gun industry trade association. Today’s NRA is focused on protecting the interests of gunmakers and enriching its leadership at the expense of its members. The New York Attorney General’s action today will finally hold the NRA accountable."
    https://vpc.org/press/violence-poli...or-dissolution-of-national-rifle-association/
     
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    The same Josh Sugarmann who possesses a valid federal firearms license in the district of columbia that exempts him from having to comply with certain firearm-related restrictions?

    The same Josh Sugarmann who went on record as saying the ignorance of the public pertaining to the subject of fully-automatic firearms, should be capitalized upon and exploited for political gain, in an openly dishonest manner to build public support for restrictions on semi-automatic firearms?
     
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    BATF is oart of the executive branch.
     
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    The guys an idiot, anyone with a lick of sense understands the NRA/ILA is the gun owners lobby and the National Shooting Sports Foundation is the firearm industry trade association.

    But like most anti-gunners he's clueless and lies a lot.

    https://www.nssf.org/

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    And your point?
     
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    That actions under the Executive Branch materially rewrote a law, a power enumerated to Congress under the Constitution.
     
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    Incorrect, they did not rewrite a law, there never was a law to rewrite, they amended an existing rule which is well under their power as a regulatory agency.

    DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms,
    and Explosives
    27 CFR Parts 447, 478, and 479
    [Docket No. 2018R–22F; AG Order No.
    4367–2018]
    RIN 1140–AA52
    Bump-Stock-Type Devices
    AGENCY: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
    Firearms, and Explosives; Department of
    Justice.
    ACTION: Final rule.
    SUMMARY: The Department of Justice is
    amending the regulations of the Bureau
    of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and
    Explosives (ATF) to clarify that bumpstock-
    type devices—meaning ‘‘bump
    fire’’ stocks, slide-fire devices, and
    devices with certain similar
    characteristics—are ‘‘machineguns’’ as
    defined by the National Firearms Act of
    1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968
    because such devices allow a shooter of
    a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a
    continuous firing cycle with a single
    pull of the trigger. Specifically, these
    devices convert an otherwise
    semiautomatic firearm into a
    machinegun by functioning as a selfacting
    or self-regulating mechanism that
    harnesses the recoil energy of the
    semiautomatic firearm in a manner that
    allows the trigger to reset and continue
    firing without additional physical
    manipulation of the trigger by the
    shooter. Hence, a semiautomatic firearm
    to which a bump-stock-type device is
    attached is able to produce automatic
    fire with a single pull of the trigger.
    With limited exceptions, the Gun
    Control Act, as amended, makes it
    unlawful for any person to transfer or
    possess a machinegun unless it was
    lawfully possessed prior to the effective
    date of the statute. The bump-stock-type
    devices covered by this final rule were
    not in existence prior to the effective
    date of the statute, and therefore will be
    prohibited when this rule becomes
    effective. Consequently, under the final
    rule, current possessors of these devices
    will be required to destroy the devices
    or abandon them at an ATF office prior
    to the effective date of the rule.
    DATES: This rule is effective March 26,
    2019.
     
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    They rewrote the definition of machine gun as defined in NFA 1934 and Gun Control Act 1968. Those are both laws.

    If they rewrote the definition of "automatic" to include "semiautomatic" and thus bring all semiautomatic weapons under NFA 1934 and ban any post-1986 versions under Hughes, would you consider that just a rewrite?
     
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    If one does not like such, they should lobby congress to deprive regulatory agencies of the ability to amend and interpret existing rules, and leave them unable to do anything other than mere enforcement of rules as they are written.
     
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    Incorrect, they reclassified bump stocks as machine guns.

    Again incorrect, there is nothing in that reclassification that changes the status of semi-automatic firearms.
     
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    A classification that doesn't even meet the definition of "machine gun" by law. Bump fire isn't even illegal. If a bump stock can be reclassified by executive branch fiat as a machine gun, when it doesn't meet the legal definition of machine gun, what makes you think that semiautomatic firearms are safe?

    In that one, no. How hard would it be to reclassify any firearm that can bump fire to be a machine gun? Just a note from ATF, right?
     
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    No, you would then kill them with a knife, fist, blunt object, poison, vehicle, suicide bomb, etc. etc. etc.
     
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    Even if successful, they just have to form again under a new state.
     
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    It is natural for a pro-gun rights group to support politicians who are pro-gun rights as opposed to those who are clearly anti-gun rights and will limit them to whatever degree is both possible under law and politically viable...
     
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