New Zealand mosques: Several dead after shootings in Christchurch

Isn't the whole "Oh no what a tragedy" thing just as trite? There's nothing anyone can do about it, we should thank all kind hearted people for responding in their own way. Clearly those saying thoughts and prayers have the best of intentions, just as you do. What will it accomplish? Nothing, same as saying "Oh no, what a tragedy".

Nothing whatsoever. Change starts with yourself, the thing you can do in the immediate here and now is to not scapegoat innocents in tragedies like these. We cannot let propaganda of the deed succeed in dividing us, that doesn't matter if the perpetrators are motivated by politics, religion, or blind self loathing.

I agree this is not the time nor the place. I disagree that PJW is anything even remotely like these people. I disagree with him often, he is too far right for me, but he is clearly within the realms of acceptable discourse.

Youtube allows people we don't like speaking to speak, it also allows those who would otherwise be unable to get a voice in the corporate media to get spread by word of mouth.

More speech is always good, except when speech crosses over into the realm of action by advocating imminent violence.

Nationalism is not ethnonationalism. Wanting sovereignty to be held on a local level is not xenophobic or racist. Indeed, if the German states had not Federated into the German reich the possibility of anything even approaching the horrors of the Holocaust would have been slim to none. The problem is xenophobia and racism no matter what size the jurisdiction is.

I disagree his posts are in any way neo-Nazi, they are certainly protected by any reasonable interpretation of the freedom of speech. Not that you were saying otherwise (I refer to the ANZ forum post).

 

What???

And that is currently happening where?

Have you ever seen any of the European torture devices? How would you react if you were accused of using them today?

 

Did Trump have that on his twitter? I just checked and I can see nothing on this tragedy. He does though link to Breibart reporting it. Did he have that on and remove it having been told to or does he not have anything to say about this terrorist attack because it is Muslims who have suffered?

 

Lol ... for sure! Genetic ... you make my day! Please learn facts and no brain washing bullcrap ... or you really believe all Jews are genetic ME origin? Really? Lol ...

 

In case you haven't noticed there was a massive terrorist attack in New Zeakand today where 40 people were murdered. If you cant being yourself to do anything but blabber about anything w look se and you cant condemn terrorism, go start it r own thread. No one's stopping you

 

Yeah, okay - forty dead is less than four day's work for Muslims in the Middle East.
We'll get Enraged. Blame Trump and the Right Wing. Talk about "Islamaphobia"
and then be all the more determined to ignore Daily Dead Christians everywhere.
This drips with Racism and self-hate.

 

Do your genes change if you convert? Like Liz Taylor or Ivanka Trump?

 

Not only can you determine Jewishness genetically, but we can pick
out one of the twelves tribes of Israel - back to Jacob in Bronze Age
Egypt.

 

No. That is Jewish by religion. If you are a man and marry a genetic Jew
then your children are considered Jewish. It will show in half their genes.
Conversions don't count IMO.

 

Did you not say you yourself are a Christian? It is weird the way Christianity is divided with some wanting to bare witness and bring love, hope and justice to the world and others full of hate particularly for Muslims. You should check out the Christians of Palestine....and of course you have shown no anger for this terrorist attack as you state above. You have rather appeared to suggest not enough Muslims have been killed...and yes hatred against Muslims is racist ...or of the same mindset if you prefer..

 

Symbolically speaking, exactly like this:



If we finally started acting the same way for what this statue stands for all and what it means all, then it would have been terribly difficult for terrorist scum and racist scum!
No, you would not be able to prevent it entirely ... but limit and hinder it so drastically that the danger is minimal!

 

Nice ... and you know that for Islam is the same given? They come again from what at least ... depending on that fairy tale books called bible and Koran, eh? Learn facts please!

 

Meanwhile, you blame Trump. The far Left is just as sick as these killers.

 

Read about this guy Michael Cohen, Trump's Lawyer?
Chances are, if you do a DNA on him, you might find he is
related to other Cohen or Cohan or Kohan or Cohn etc..
He could be what is called a "Cohen Modal Haplotype"
which means simply he is related to the Kohanim line which
goes back to the ancient Jewish priests.

https://selfhacked.com/blog/cohen-modal-haplotype

quote from the link
The original scientific research was based on the hypothesis
that a majority of present-day Jewish Kohanim share a pattern
of values for 6 unique markers (YSTR), which researchers named
the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH) (R).

Of those who did belong to Haplogroup J, the Kohanim were more
than twice as likely to have a pattern close to the CMH-6, suggesting
a much more recent common ancestry for most of them compared
to an average non-Cohen Jew of Haplogroup

 

Nice ... and if yesterday instead again an IS terrorist would have driven somewhere in a crowd and 40 people had murdered ... then I should say the following:

40 dead is not even 1% of the dead that cause the US and / or their puppets every day in the world?
The stupid thing is ... that is also true with a view of the hot spots of this world!

 

... and these sick killers are far Right! So .... a bad rogue who now has a stupid mindset and says extremists, whether left or right are sick?

 

OP

It's indisputable that wherever there are Muslims, there's trouble - why is that I wonder?

 

Today an average of 11 Christians were murdered by Muslims.
Day in, day out. Look to Africa and Pakistan for starters.

So, discounting today's blip on the graph, can you point out how
many Muslims died at Christian hands today, and where?

 

So we are being told.

What?

 

My respect to the people of New Zealand the only other country I would wish to live in, some of the friendliest people on the planet.

For those idiots talking about the perils of Multiculturism, are you all so damn stupid that you do not realise that if you want multiculturalism stopped,

THEN IT IS ALL THE ABRAHAMIC FAITHS WHICH ARE THE FOREIGN RELIGIONS IN NEW ZEALAND, YOUR ARROGANCE AND IGNORANCE IS ASTONISHING!

 

You are already aware that I can just kick away the ridiculous Genetic Façade with the reference to the Old Testament, to which you call yourself with the 12 tribes?

The Jewish people are not purely genetically separable because they have spread across the continents for more than 2,000 years and have also intermingled with other local communities. Likewise, parts of these ethnic groups in history have also become Jews ... for example in Ethiopia (keyword: Beta Israel) and that there can be no genetic reliance on the 12 tribes, it is obvious from the color of the skin! Thus, a DNA test can not provide clear evidence. However, a DNA test can most likely confirm a Jewish background ... but even if it does, it does not say that Christianity has been heard here for maybe 10 generations!

And since Islam calls itself in the religion itself also to Abraham and therefore also part of exactly the biblical origin and region, which you lead ... well ... still questions?

 

As we are being told at Islamic Terro Acts of who did at same stage by same sources ...

You like to shout on the far left as usual ... and you leave no, no matter how ridiculous opportunity to do that ... but that the far right is just as evil, would you say that too? I think you're more likely to bite your tongue off before you even admit that, right?

 

I will have a look. I remember reading that the far right/ Identarians were gathering in one of the East European countries for training camps and to work out how to start what they are after - not Jews today but Muslims.

 

Yeah, good points. I will take them on board.
Arabs "trace" their descent to Ishmael who was part Hebrew and part Egyptian.
Not sure how you can trace that genetically.

The bible says the Jews will be "few in number" yet about Jesus time they numbered
around 3-5 million. Chinese were about 20 million. So why aren't there a few hundred
million Jews today? Because of conversion, marrying outside, war and final solutions.
So lots of people have Jewish genes - maybe Hitler had them too? But some Jews
have these genes more strongly than others. And of course, there's that Cohen line.
I wonder if scientists will one day identify the other eleven tribes via DNA? How to do
it - dig up Jewish cemeteries and DNA test them (teeth are good.) Different places in
Israel held different tribes, ie Jesus tribe of Judah came from Judea.