NFL WILL FINE TEAMS WHOSE PLAYERS KNEEL DURING NATIONAL ANTHEM

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  1. For Topical Use Only

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    Ok, well thanks for your opinion,I disagree with your opinion that you call another's opinion "wrong"--And no reason to yell (all caps)--we can have a civil discussion here----
    Hey,your right, trump has a right to his opinion, even as disrespectful & way beneath the dignity of his position as it is----my opinion!
     
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    How stupid. How loudly did you complain when the NFL instituted restrictions and heavy fines for dancing in the end zone or spiking the ball? My gosh weren't those about the harshest restrictions on free speech????
     
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    You were referring to me. You know this.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    -Capitalizing one word gives emphasis to that word. Capitalizing an entire sentence constitutes shouting. There is a difference.
    - The President having a right to free speech is not an opinion. It is an expressly granted right in the constitution. You seem to have difficulty differentiating between a given fact and an opinion.
     
  7. Bluebird

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    Well, except for the fact that up until yesterday the rights & freedoms of players expressing themselves was not in the rule book before they were employed .They were taken away---
    Don't know what the rules for Coke & Pepsi employee's are, never worked there,However,one would think those rules we in place from the "beginning" of their employment!
     
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    It is about disrespecting the flag. These un-American jackasses choose the few minutes that the flag is being honored to doing their social justice warrior whining. They have six day, 23 hours, and about 55 minutes of every week to 'protest' however they want. They chose the only time in their week in which the flag is honored.

    Sorry NFL, too little too late, I found other things to do, and it really isn't that big a loss...
     
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    You are confused. I know this.The world is not all about you. The person to whom I was speaking made 3 points on separate lines and in one of those points she was referencing you. I responded to those 3 points delineated by a dash.

    -The first point they said was "Well, if it wasn't an issue we wouldn't be talking about it then would we?"..... to which I gave the litany of issues being argued of which it was not about you specifically but rather the litany of arguments being made about this "issue".

    -The second dash was for the second point which said "And I disagree, the poster is not wrong, why would you say that? Because he doesn't agree with "your" opinion?"....to which I replied about the hypocritical issue which WAS about you, because at that point she was talking about you.

    That is the reality of the situation. Sincerely. This shouldn't be that difficult.
     
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    Well,my ears hurt anyway, regardless of one shouted word or a whole sentence! That is my opinion---
    But, I still have a right to my opinion!
    But,instead of arguing anymore about each other's opinion, how about let's talk about the NFL & their decision!
     
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    -Thats amazing that you seemingly have a connection with your eyes to your ears.

    -OK, I will happily continue the conversation about the NFL decision as opposed to nonsensically arguing about your ears hurting from something that you saw. The NFL made a wise decision when they decided to mandate that players on the field during the anthem must stand for the anthem. It was wise economically, and it isnt an abridgement of anyone's constitutional right to free speech. Their mistake occurred when they didnt immediately nip this subject in the bud. It is not wise for any business to unnecessarily alienate a large segment of their customers.
     
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    Uh huh...sure thing
     
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    Thanks for your opinion!
     
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    You missed my point about yelling (all caps), me trying to make a "joke"---my bad---
    And,thanks for your opinion---
     
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    Indeed it is. I am sorry that you seemingly have such difficulty with the whole effective communication thing.
     
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    You are welcome.
     
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    Only with people who make sh!t up. Chow
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So the person to whom I was responding didnt make several points on different lines? Are you claiming that the first line to which I responded was about you? Are you claiming that because she mentioned you in her second point that means that she was talking about you in the first? On what basis are you even trying to claim that I was talking about you in my first point? What you are claiming doesnt make a lick of sense, which is probably why you are choosing the cop out of throwing out a baseless invective.
     
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    You know you were referring to me too. Stop denying it. You look foolish
     
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    Not only was I NOT talking about you, I have given you a rather detailed, logical explanation of when I was and wasnt talking about you. I see that you dont want to address my explanation, instead you just want to bicker aimlessly by not addressing anything. If you could tear apart my words you most certainly would. Since you cannot, you opt for the baseless invective route. Your motive is as transparent as it gets.
     
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    When danger reared its ugly head, brave sir robin turned tail and fled...….
     
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    Ok, Let's end this guys,I was talking about ECA in my first, second or whatever comment,I thought it was apparent--it is, I thought a rule on this forum, that if possible not to use a members names,so I said another "poster"---Please move on---
     
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    I really don't know of any employer who would allow a protest to take place at work either during work or in preparation of work if it didn't have something to do with the job. A union grievance, a strike or the like. If an employee obtained permission from the employer, then okay.

    Kaps protest belonged outside a police station in a rally or demonstration or even in a march. Not on the football field if it had nothing to do with football. That I'm firm on. Did him kneeling bother me, nah. I thought rather stupid at the time and I basically ignored him. Then it became amusing for a bit before turning into a nuance. Finally we tuned into the beginning of football games having taken bets on the number of players who would kneel during the anthem. I couldn't tell you what Kap's protest was about until a few weeks later when someone told me. Actually I'm still not sure. I just wish everyone would have just ignored Kap, perhaps thinking like I how stupid that was.

    I've been to numerous baseball games when the anthem is played it seems half the crowd isn't paying attention. Buying beer and hotdogs, going to one's seat, laughing and joking. That's probably an exaggeration, but at times it sure seem so. The thing is WWI and WWII is over. So too is the need to play the national anthem before any sporting event.

    People go to sporting events, games to get away from the real world for a couple of hours. Away from the daily grind and yes, away from protests, demonstrations, anything political. Perhaps the last thing we need is making the national anthem a divisive issue if we aren't divided enough already.
     
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    Nobody was debating whether the "other poster" was him, rather it was about whether I was referring to the "other poster" when I said "mandating free expression". He is pushing this nonsensical argument that literally nobody cares about, and then you jumping into the fray only furthers that irrelevant argument that is otherwise finished. Please move on.
     
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    I also have been to many games where I saw the same thing. So no it is not an exaggeration.
    And I do agree that this "should" not be as divisive as it is becoming--
    However,it is now an" issue" & our POTUS is not helping to calm it down, he is exacerbating it--thus my point in my OP----it's a game folks, it's a game---
     
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