No. Korea nuclear missile threat

Discussion in 'Nuclear, Chemical & Bio Weapons' started by waltky, Dec 25, 2015.

  1. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Enough plutonium for 6 nuclear bombs with KN-08 missile range to hit California...
    :omg:
    North Korea has secured 88 pounds of plutonium, Seoul official says
    Dec. 25, 2015 - A minimum of 13 pounds of plutonium is required to manufacture a nuclear weapon.
    See also:

    Analysts: North Korea's intercontinental ballistic missile simplified
    Dec. 23, 2015 - The changes have significantly improved the potential reliability of the ICBM.
     
  2. AboveAlpha

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    Thing is the U.S. is perfectly capable of shooting down any Korean Ballistic Missile well before it ever reached even Hawaii.

    And if Korea actually launched.....and their missiles are inaccurate in the extreme....and they have yet to demonstrate any ability during their underground nuclear tests to even achieve a proper fission detonation....never mind their claim to have developed a Fusion device which I and most people doubt in the extreme......but if they launched....we would shoot it down....and we would IMMEDIATELY know if this thing had a nuclear warhead from our radiation detection capabilities....and if it did......SAY GOODBYE TO NORTH KOREA!!!

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    AA wrote: Thing is the U.S. is perfectly capable of shooting down any Korean Ballistic Missile well before it ever reached even Hawaii.

    Doubt if Japan would have enough time to react...

    ... if it were the target.
     
  4. AboveAlpha

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    The U.S. Navy has a Nimitz Class Carrier Strike Group based in Japan and these U.S. Carrier groups have Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruisers which are equipped with the SM-3 AA/ABM/ASAT which is capable of intercepting and downing Ballistic Missiles.

    They are accurate in the extreme and during Operation Burt Frost an SM-3 launched from the USS. Lake Erie...a Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruiser targeted and destroyed only a PART of a failing satellite that being a Hydrazine Booster Fuel Tank and the SM-3 directly impacted and detonated JUST the Tank traveling as part of that satellite orbiting the earth at 16,500 mph at ORBITAL DISTANCE.

    Here is the video of the actual shoot down as the SM-3 was visually followed by a telescope.

    LINK....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDqNjnUNUl8


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  5. AlpinLuke

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    I was just thinking to AEGIS units developed in the area by US Navy. Not only to eventually protect Japan from North Korea, but overall to protect Taiwan from an eventual attempt of invasion by China [China would open the dance launching missiles, you know ...].
     
  6. AboveAlpha

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    The thing is China was actually planning an Invasion of Taiwan in 2008 and again in 2011.

    U.S. War Planners smartly invited the Chinese Military Brass to watch massive U.S. Military War Games both at sea and in air and on land.

    This is what Chinese General Chen Bingde had to say....

    DECADES BEHIND THE WEST?

    Chen played down Chinese military advances on his trip, telling the audience of U.S. military officers and faculty at the National Defense University the People's Liberation Army lagged at least 20 years behind developed Western nations.

    "To be honest, I feel very sad after visiting (the United States), because I think, I feel and I know, how poor our equipments are and how underdeveloped we remain," Chen said.

    Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. military's Joint Chiefs of Staff and Chen's host, stressed the importance of renewed dialogue to minimize the risk of misunderstanding.

    "What he and I have both talked about is a future that is a peaceful future and a better one for our children and grandchildren. That does not include a conflict between China and the United States," Mullen told reporters.

    LINK....http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-idUSTRE74I05720110519

    Plus any attempted Chinese Invasion of Taiwan would result in the sinking of every PLN Troop Carrying ship by U.S. Subs and the USAF before they ever got within 100 miles of Taiwan.

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  7. AlpinLuke

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    China is not ready for a global conflict. And a confrontation with US can become a global conflict on large scale in a while. It's not only NAVY lacks [on surface: no battle groups with battle carriers; under the surface: Chinese subs are not suitable for underwater hunt and combat, as for I know of course, Chinese Air Force has got in service some good anti submarine units, but nothing expecial] which would suggest to Beijing to renounce to attack Taiwan, but in case of such an attack, the Americans could retaliate carrying the conflict on the continent, in the Chinese inland. Chinese strategical coordinated defenses cannot [if they are coordinated for real!] face the force projection capability of the United States. Period.
     
  8. AboveAlpha

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    No...they cannot.

    The Chinese PLA and PLN Leadership are keenly aware of this problem.

    However the Chinese Communist Party Leadership was not and it was not until after the U.S. invited the PLN and PLA Leadership to the U.S. to watch actual U.S. War games that Chinese Military Leaders like General Chen Bingde were able to confront the Chinese Communist Party Leaders over their absolutely insane plans to invade Taiwan.

    The PLA and PLN Leadership told the Communist Leadership that any such attempted invasion of Taiwan would result in the complete obliteration of all Chinese Invasion Forces.

    After this the Chinese Communist Party Leadership settled down and have abandoned such insane plans.

    The U.S. Military would not leave a single Chinese Ship or Sub intact....and USAF Stealth Bombers would wipe out any invasion fleet and aircraft in ports on on the ground.

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    They are very far down the list of those that pose a threat to the USA . I would put Hil LIAR y at the top of any list .
     
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    LOL!!!

    I cannot believe our choices for President will boil down to Trump or Hillary!!!

    I say we put a wig on a snowman and call it....President Frosty!

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  11. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Active Member Past Donor

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    For many of us not living under the US electoral system all of politics in the so called land of the brave and the free is totally mad.
     
  12. Capitalism

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    It wouldn't be that simple, you know that, especially in the current atmosphere of the political world.

    Boo hoo we can't harm civilians, thousands of US troops dead for no other reason than to feel better about ourselves.

    I wish it were as simple as you speak, but that would take near insurrection for the politicians to listen.
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    I have seen the contingency plans.

    North Korea launches a Nuke we would shoot it down.

    If North Korea....and this is fully possible....tunneled under the DMZ and placed a small nuke and detonated it....we would use Nuclear Weapons against the North.

    Small....75 Kiloton tactical's.

    But we would use them.

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    If they launched one I sincerely doubt our political leaders would have the back bone to send one back.

    They've already made many a tunnel beneath the dmz, some you can drive two tanks through side by side, been a few documentaries about them so that is completely possible.

    However, if we shot one of theirs down in intercept I just don't see the retaliation that should happen, happen.
     
  15. axialturban

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    If it (a NK inbound nuke ICBM) was intercepted and destroyed safely over water then there is no need to retaliate with nuclear devices. Conventional strikes to cripple their military entirely yes, then let China move in and absorb NK into China. China would not want anyone else owning that piece of real estate, so let em have it.
     
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    The North Koreans may be crazy, but they are not stupid. They know full well that if they ever launched even one missile towards the United States they would cease to exist. Red China know this as well and would take whatever measures necessary to prevent a missile launch from NK. I wouldn't be too worried.
     
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    Are you kidding!!!???

    We shoot down a North Korean nuke intended to hit the U.S. and we determine it had a Nuclear Warhead on it when we shot it down!!!???


    We would end the existence of North Korea!

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    You don't think its unnecessary to use nukes if you don't have too? It's not exactly proportionate or discriminate, and would make life very difficult in South Korea with the resultant radioactive pollution.
     
  19. Dissily Mordentroge

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    I don't know why you Americans focus on the role of the president when your form of government makes the execusive branch more or less toothless. It's the entire US political system that needs an overhaul along with the constitution and the obscene permissiveness that allows cashed up lobbyists far, far more power in Congress than they should ever have had.
     
  20. tkolter

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    Actually I would move to upgrade and develop in the USA the next generation of missiles and warheads to bring our options into the 21st century for our main deterrent option.

    Then we need to think about expecting China to oversee North Korea as the regional power, with joint invasion plans if they do fire a nuclear missile at us and it does hit something.
     

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