No. Korea nuclear missile threat

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  1. Mushroom

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    Personally, I think China is reaching the end of it's straw when it comes to North Korea. Relations between the two (and NKs only major ally) have become more and more tense over the years, and are probably close to the breaking point.
     
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    North Korea is like the families Red Headed step child.
     
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    A U.S. President can commit U.S. Forces to combat all on his own.

    Congress can also vote after a time to bring them home.

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  4. waltky

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    North Korea 'fires submarine missile'...
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    North Korea 'fires submarine-launched ballistic missile'
    Sat, 23 Apr 2016 - North Korea appears to have fired a ballistic missile from a submarine off its eastern coast, South Korea says, in a further flexing of its nuclear muscle.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Mebbe he was just bein' evasive `bout bein' evasive...
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    WH Spokesman Evasive When Asked if Any Senior Official Ever Lied About Iran Nuclear Deal
    June 7, 2016 – White House press secretary Josh Earnest twice on Monday did not give a direct, yes or no response to a reporter’s question about whether any senior administration official had ever lied publicly about the Iran nuclear deal.
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    Kerry: ‘Successful’ Iran Nuclear Deal a ‘Model’ For How to Deal With North Korea
    June 7, 2016 – The “successful” achievement of a nuclear deal with Iran was a “model” for how the international community should deal with North Korea, Secretary of State John Kerry said in Beijing Monday.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even Lil' Kim (crazy though he is) cannot be stupid enough to launch his non-functional Nukes at ANYONE, let alone the United States. IF he somehow manages to make a rocket work well enough to hit something, we will probably surround NK with interceptor missiles or something even better. Little fat midget man is not a threat and once China gets sick of him, he will be eliminated.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    China has had it with North Korea.

    The Chinese consider North Korea to be a liability and they desperately want to separate themselves for the North.

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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eventually they will do so, and Lil' Kim likely knows it...I imagine he has something on someone high up in China or they would have done so already.
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    Well when China criticized the North recently Little Kim had the North Korean Media tell China that North Korea would defend itself from Chinese aggression with all means at it's disposal including nuclear weapons.

    That pretty much broke the last straw as far as China was concerned.

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  10. Mushroom

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    The repeated failures to deal with North Korea and now Iran should show that diplomacy is not always a real solution. Some nations, they simply feel no need to honor any agreements the ymake and will violate them whenever they feel it is in their own interest. And there are several nations in my viewpoint that fit that criteria.

    North Korea, Iran, Palestine, former Iraq, and occasionally Cuba and Venezuela all seem to fit those standards. They will make an agreement one day, then it is a matter of time before they violate it. I place Cuba and Venezuela in with a qualifier. Many times they are very honest in their agreements, but on others they will break them without a second thought.
     
  11. waltky

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    Lil' fatboy Kim perfectin' his ICBM technology...
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    North Korea test-fires submarine-launched ballistic missile
    July 9, 2016 — North Korea fired what appeared to be a submarine-launched ballistic missile off its east coast on Saturday, the U.S. and South Korea said, the latest in a string of tests that are part of efforts by the North to advance technology capable of delivering nuclear warheads.
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    North Korea Reacts to US Sanctions Against Kim: Like ‘a New-Born Puppy Knowing no Fear of a Tiger’
    July 7, 2016 – Stung by the first-ever imposition of U.S. sanctions against its top leadership including Kim Jong-un, the Stalinist regime in Pyongyang called the move an act of war, threatening “the toughest countermeasures” and warning that the U.S. will rue its “foolish and reckless” deed.
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    In a statement characterized by its trademark rhetorical flourishes, the North Korean foreign ministry denounced Washington’s “unheard-of hideous hostility,” and charged that a newly-released State Department report on human rights abuses was “peppered with lies and fabrications.” The ministry statement, released through the official KCNA news agency, said the U.S. daring to challenge North Korea’s 32-year-old leader was “an act reminiscent of a new-born puppy knowing no fear of a tiger.” “What the U.S. did this time, not content with malignantly slandering the DPRK, is the worst crime that can never be pardoned,” it said, using the acronym for the country’s formal name, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

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    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un attends a meeting of North Korea’s ruling party at a stadium in Pyongyang​

    The ministry demanded that the sanctions decision be retracted, failing which it would close “every lever and channel” of diplomatic contact, and “take the toughest countermeasures to resolutely shatter the hostility of the U.S.” The State Department on Wednesday released a report – required under the North Korea Sanctions and Policy Enhancement Act of 2016 – that identifies individuals and entities responsible for serious human rights abuses. Simultaneously, the Treasury Department, citing cruelty, extrajudicial killings, forced labor and torture, announced sanctions on Kim Jong-un, ten other senior officials, and five government entities.

    State Department spokesman John Kirby on Thursday responded dispassionately to the threats. “The only thing that we would respond with would be to once again call on North Korea to refrain from actions and rhetoric that only further raise tensions in the region,” he said. “And I can’t see how this rhetoric does anything but that.” Kirby played down the threat to cut all diplomatic ties, saying that the only link currently in existence – the so-called “New York channel,” or U.S. and North Korean diplomats at the U.N. – did not constitute “direct diplomatic relations.”

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  12. AboveAlpha

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    You know....it is a travesty that this fat little brat is the leader of North Korea!!

    And he can whine and complain all he want's because HE KNOWS.....he might be able to cause a lot of damage to South Korea if he invades....but if he does.....The United States will END ONCE AND FOR ALL....the existence of North Korea and this little tubby boy leader!!

    China is absolutely with the U.S. on this one!!

    After North Korea threatened China with a Nuclear Attack....that pretty much ended the Chinese letting the crap coming out o this boy's mouth slide by!!

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  13. Johnny Brady

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    An easier way for NK to nuke people would be for a sub to sneak up to any coastline and deposit a nuke on the seabed on a time fuse a couple of miles offshore of any coastal city or port, then let the heat wave, the blast, the tsunami and radiation swamp the city-

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    We keep a track of the location of all Subs in every ocean and sea.

    We know where every single North Korean sub is at all times.

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  15. Johnny Brady

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    Of course that's what the government wants the people to think so's not to alarm them..;)
    Anyway there are other ways to hit us, for example by using an innocent-looking fishing boat instead of a sub to deposit a nuke bomb at the entrance to one of our ports, or even landing terror groups armed with suitcase-nukes on our coastlines in rubber boats from fishing boats. (It's not a new idea, the nazis were landing saboteurs in America from u-boats in WW2)
     
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    Go ahead let him use one, even China won't support him and we could easily say to them you either help us in a conventional attack or we will go nuclear and well radioactive fallout is not overly particular where it goes. China should annex NK as a part of China the common people would be far, far better off.
     
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    Another possibility is that he could "leak" one or more of his nuke warheads to a muslim terror group, or at least provide them with the ingredients to make their own nuke bombs. A small freighter could easily carry it to the coastline of any muslim nation where the terror group would be waiting to help them unload it.

    PS- Regarding NK firing an ICBM nuke at America, Washington hasn't entirely dismissed the threat, as this 3-yr-old news item indicates-
    "A week after Pyongyang threatened to launch a pre-emptive strike nuclear strike on Washington, the Pentagon said it was increasing its fleet of interceptor missiles by nearly 50 per cent.
    Chuck Hagel, the newly-appointed US secretary of defence, said that an additional 14 interceptors would be deployed to Alaska by the end of 2017, raising the overall total to 44 missiles stationed along the West coast"
    Full article- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Alaska-in-response-to-North-Korea-threat.html


    An ICBM trajectory from NK to the American heartland would take it smack over Alaska, hence the beefing up of the interceptor missile screen up there (orange line)-

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    Granny says, "Dat's right - dem Russkies is always instigatin' sumpin...
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    Report: Russia allowed North Korea nuclear scientists to conduct research
    Oct. 3, 2016 - A former member of the U.N. Security Council’s North Korea sanctions committee says there’s evidence Russia violated international sanctions.
     
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    That would mean killing Kim and his close cabinet members. I'd be for that if the people weren't so brainwashed. Putting anyone else in power and forcing the dear leader out would be chaos.
     
  20. Johnny Brady

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    Any country with nukes could hit a country in simpler ways than big expensive ICBM's.
    For example a sub could deposit a nuke bomb on the seabed just offshore of a major city on a time fuse.
    Or they could sail one into any port on board an innocent-looking merchant ship.
    Or terror squads with suitcase nukes could come ashore in rubber boats from a sub and fan out across America.
    Or they could fly one into Israel by helicopter or microlight and drop it in the middle of Tel-Aviv or wherever.
     
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    Water is a superb way to contain nuclear explosions. Why do you think bomb trucks generally use water to contain explosions?

    Unless you have ships nearby, you are not going to do much damage by an underwater explosion. The Baker, Hardtack and Wigwam tests were all underwater nuclear detonations, from 8-30kt yields.

    Damage was actually rather minimal other then to submerged targets. Submarines imploded, but even surface ships survived less then 1km from the detonation.

    "Suitcase nukes" are a staple of bad espionage books. Your typical "suitcase nuke" had a payload capable of around .2kt. Yes, point two. We have had truck bombs in the last 20 years that have done more damage then that. And the only 2 countries that have the skills and technology to make them are the US and Russia.

    And a nuke aboard a ship. Yea, let's detonate a nuke inside of a steel reinforced structure, which will actually contain much of the initial explosive force, reducing the effective blast radius in half.
     
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    1- Nukes are dirty things and it's not just the blast wave and fireball and tsunami we have to contend with, but also the radioactive spray drenching a city.
    2- The advantage of suitcase nukes is that they can be easily carried in a suitcase and do just as much damage as a big truckload of explosives.
    3- A nuke detonated on board a ship would surely rip the ship apart like paper?

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  23. Mushroom

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    Hey, why not show a cover of the National Enquirer while you are at it?

    First of all, water is excellent in capturing the radioactive contamination. The body of water itself would capture most of it, and it will dissipate.

    The danger in "fallout" is when particles (dirt, buildings, etc) become contaminated. They do not move (or are carried in the wind) and continue to be contaminated. Water does not have that issue. That is why when we have equipment that is contaminated we use water to decontaminate them.

    Yep, just plain water.

    And yes, a nuke blast will rip apart a ship, after much of it's force is blunted by having to rip through it in the first place.

    Think of it like this. Place 100 pounds of TNT in an open field and detonate it. Then see how far the debris is scattered.

    Then detonate 100 pounds inside of a house and examine the pattern. I can guarantee that the debris will travel a much lesser distance. The building itself will contain much of the explosive force.

    And get off the suitcase nukes already, they do not exist. Heck, at this time North Korea can not even make a nuke capable of being carried in it's medium range missiles, and that is much larger then a "suitcase".

    But even if it did, consider the following:

    [video=youtube;WCEmrH42FKM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEmrH42FKM[/video]

    Now that is a detonation of .5kt of conventional explosives. The "backpack nukes" that the US and USSR developed had an explosive capability of less than half of the explosion shown!

    Less than half. I would be much more worried of some organization filling a ship with conventional explosives than I would over what you are talking about.

    Of course what would I know, I have only been studying such things for over 30 years.

    A nuke would not cause a "tsunami", they are nowhere near that big.
     
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    Uncle Ferd says dat movie `bout Nostradamus showed one outta 3 gettin' through...
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    Can America protect itself from nuclear-armed missiles? Shockingly, Pentagon’s weapons testing office doesn’t think so
    Tuesday 10th January, 2017 | WASHINGTON, U.S. - According to the Pentagon’s weapons testing office, the America’s $36 billion system of ground-based interceptors cannot be guaranteed to shoot down a nuclear-armed missile aimed at United States by hostile nations such as North Korea or Iran.
     
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    If North Korea actually launched an ICBM with the purpose of actually striking the U.S. knowing their level of tech. the damn thing would probably be so off course it would probably land in the ocean but we are closely monitoring any launches and anything that looks dangerous from the launch will be shot down either with U.S. Navy SM-3's based on Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruisers or if necessary Air Launched ABM's on F-15's stationed in Alaska or even perhaps intercepted by Ground Launched ABM's.

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