No verdict on eighth day of U.S. abortion doctor deliberations

I very clearly said not a person. I assumed you wouldn't think I was describing a place. That leaves "thing."

 

Thank you.

 

or as Cady declared a thing

 

Are you shocked that I don't think a fetus is a person? I must have said it dozens of times.

 

AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?....coming from someone who wants no restrictions on abortion? He botched a few abortions...do you think that if late term abortion were legal and done in safe and clean clinics things like this would not happen? What is so bad about abortion Bowerbird?

 

Pretty sure killing an infant after it is born is not considered an 'abortion' by definition.

The moment you give birth you can no longer have an abortion because there is no longer a pregnancy.

 

Ad the pro-abort zealots embrace abortion as something wonderful and sacred. It is a blessing to be able to abort in their world.

 

Wow...is it really? Ok to kill it in the womb 5 minutes before its born? And they take a wee little breath and wow its wrong. You pro-aborts kill me....pun intended.

No pregnancy. LMAO You people cling on to any excuse to justify...anything that would kill the unborn.

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I'm not shocked....at anything a pro-abort brings to the table.

 

To help better your understanding of what I was talking about maybe it would help if you learn the definition of abortion. "The intentional termination of a pregnancy."

Sorry but once the pregnancy is ended there is nothing left to 'terminate'.

 

Not really wrong - just highly unlikely to be required procedure in today's world. However in some places it is still necessary - when the baby is too big and becomes impacted in the pelvis and there is no emergency theatre available

 

Pregnancy nine months...5 minutes before birth......it's not a baby, ya can kill it.
Pregnancy nine months....1 second after birth.....its a baby and its wrong to kill.

Terminate means kill.....your position is all about killing.

 

I am not a liar. I debate daily with people who hold the position that there is nothing wrong with abortion...that women should be able to kill even through nine months of pregnancy. If that is not barbaric...I don't know what is. I have yet to see anything productive...compassionate....anything that even loves life from the pro-abort position. It is all about killing (some hypocrisy thrown in) and that is it. You are a pro-abortion zealot...and embrace abortion as such a right that it strips any right the unborn has...away.
There is nothing wrong with abortion is there?

 

Still a lie, again show one single post where anything you cling to has been posted by a pro-choicer or pro-gradualist. I couldn't care less if you debated with every single person in the world over abortion, unless you can provide a single shred of evidence to support your wild accusations then it is a lie and by default you are a liar. Your opinion on what YOU think other people think is irrelevant .. I'll remind you again of your words -

If you cannot provide even a single post to prove this statement then it is a lie, and as such you are a liar.

 

Again, you must look up the definition of abortion to better understand what I meant in context. But alas, you don't really care about that do you? Just as long as you can go on pointing fingers and bleating "It's murdeeerrrr baaawwwww!!"

Have fun with that.

For the record I have never had an abortion so I don't know why you hate me so much.

 

Speculative hyperbole - prove this is something that happens by intent

Once again this is a STRAW MAN

 

What is wrong with that? The filthy conditions of the person performing the procedure illegally. The danger to the health of the mother

Remember I believe that very very few - an almost vanishing minority of "late term" abortions are done for anything other than maternal ill health or foetal demise/abnormality incompatible with life.

In this case the risk of losing the mother outweighs the very rare exception to the health rule

 

Bowerbird said,

You think many reputable doctors will perform late term abortions? And do you think all the regular clinics in the country meet the basic health standards required of a medical facility? Isn't the important thing is that the women get abortions?
If late term abortion was legal...you wouldn't see this would you?

Oh yes the danger to the mother. Think that deaths occur at other facilities that are legal? Because they do. The industry is clouded in darkness...it is the dark side of medicine. No reputable doctor would do them just ones who are mediocre who want to make big money...ones who want to sexually abuse women while doing the abortion.

That again is not the point....as if you are in favor of allowing women choice that there be no restrictions. I don't care if 5 women in America a year decided to abortion late term just because they wanted too....they have the right don't they? The Gosnell clinics would go away. You want to enslave women based on your position.

This goes on all over the country. There are clinics that are stopping doing these...EVEN IF THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE HEALTH OF THE WOMAN OR BABY. These women can go to any hospital to do care. I know of one where this women went because she learned that her child had downs syndrome...and it took the hospital a day to find a nurse that would assist in killing the child by abortion.

Your position does not care about any surviving baby...in the womb or out.

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Please explain then why this is wrong. Quit relying on the straw man...crap to avoid answering the question. You can't answer it can you? LOL

 

Oh I don't hate you...I pity you...I feel sorry for you because of your cold and compassionless position.

But this does not apply to your position (you condone killing up to nine months for any reasons) because it is different than your cohorts that want restrictions placed on women. But they won't address the hypocrisy of their positions...help me out, explain to me why this isn't right.

"Pregnancy nine months...5 minutes before birth......it's not a baby, ya can kill it.
Pregnancy nine months....1 second after birth.....its a baby and its wrong to kill."

If what I just posted does NOT showcase their position...correct me...what does?

Terminate means kill.....your position is all about killing."

 

Honey I would have to post every post from every pro-abort zealot on this forum...because if you look at all the posts collectively...they show that there is no compassion, no love, not honestly, nothing good coming, reflecting from the pro-abort position...from the community that harbors it.
The woman's right is sacred above all else. The unborn is meaningless...until some pro-aborts believe viability makes a difference and they want to restrict women from getting them. So add hypocrisy to my list. Many pro-aborts and count yourself among them....are anti-woman, anti-choice...BECAUSE YOU PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON WOMEN. I will tell you what you tell pro-choicers when we say that abortion should be illegal.
You are anti-women...all for restrictions being placed on women and you base it on nothing more than opinion. What right do you have to do this? What right do you have to restrict woman from taking charge of their own bodies?

 

And yet if you really knew me or understood the why I do you'd know that I am far from 'compassionless'.

I don't 'condone' anything. I believe women should be free to make their own medical choices even if they are nine months pregnant. If having a life saving abortion is what they need at nine months I believe they should be free without having to jump through hoops to get this. I don't understand why pro-lifers are so against women saving their own lives at any point in their pregnancy.

You saw me address Shiva TD once already didn't you? I asked him why women shouldn't be able to change their minds in the midst of pregnancy because things can happen in life. So don't even start off on this tirade that I never address anyone else about this. All we both got was a legal explanation and quite frankly I am not interested in pestering people with the same question over and over only to get the same answer.

From what I understand the absolute vast majority of women simply do not choose elective late term abortions and so most pro-choicers find the laws fair since they still leave room for women who need medically necessary abortions in the third trimester. Some pro-choicers believe the fetuses life should be preserved once viability occurs. All I can say is that I disagree with them. I do not believe a woman's legal and medical authority over her own body should ever be restricted in any trimester of pregnancy because her body still belongs to her. If I could I would change the laws to reflect this view I hold but as it currently stands I don't have that power, I can only vote on state laws that continually try to restrict abortions where I live.

I really hope this suffices as an explanation for you to this question because I do not want to have to repeat myself again.

Again, you do not understand the definition of abortion and you refuse to understand it. At this point there is nothing more I can do to help you understand.

Yes, terminate means to end the life of the fetus and to therefore end the pregnancy. My position however is about a woman's right to put an end to her pregnancy and put a stop to the imminent changes to her health and life and the risks she will face. I believe in freedom and I am pro-autonomy. Our country stands to serve and protect the individuals freedom and their civil rights. I don't believe any human being born or not has the right to infringe on another's autonomy even if it is for life-saving purposes. I do not believe that if your husband, wife, child, friend, neighbor or anyone is on their death bed that the government should be free to break into your home and force you to give up any of your body parts to save that other person's life. I believe in freedom of choice. And you should always be free to give up parts of your body and put your own life and health at risk to save another, but it should always remain a choice and never be forced on anyone. That includes pregnancy and childbirth.

This is freedom and that is I what I stand for and believe in.

 

Thank you for confirming you are a lair, every single thing you have posted in this thread is based on you own twisted opinion, and then placing that opinion as fact when in reality you have no facts to back it up.

Hence forth I will treat everything you say as a lie, as it would seem you cannot even recognise even your own lies.

 

Fungazi...do you really think I care what you think? Just to let you know.......I DON'T. Your posts are pathetic...as is your position about abortion.

 

Well as I've already proven you are a liar, I can assume that this is also a lie and you do care what I think and that my posts hit raw nerves for you . .so I really couldn't care less for your lies churchmoose

 

Pasithea said,

I don't know you and I am sure we probably because of our lifestyles and views on life would not be friends. I believe that a persons view on life issues color everything else about them. We would not agree on much else.

Sure ya do. By wanting abortion to be illegal with no restrictions...you condone abortion. YOU WANT IT LEGAL. And legal means allowing women to do it. You want women to be able to kill the life inside them at nine months...no reasons asked.

You bring up pro-life women....Pasi...what about your groupies that also believe that women should NOT BE ALLOWED TO ABORT AFTER 24 WEEKS. What do you think about them?

LMAO...no I never saw you address ANYONE about the hypocrisy of their pro-abort position. Where was it...or better yet give me the page number I would love to read it.

How do we know how many women would get one...they are illegal? But it doesn't matter how many would get one or not does it? There shouldn't be any restrictions..if your pro-choice.

I know your stance...you have always been upfront about your position...the rest are not like you however and they run and try to avoid this issue.

So I have had an abortion, I work with pro-life groups...and I don't know what abortion is? Honey....I have experienced like no one here has...you people are the ones who don't have a clue. NOT A CLUE.

What we have are a lot of pretenders....people who pretend to know...about this issue. But if you do know it...people like this are not hard to spot.

You do not represent most of the pro-abort community however. The majority want to enslave the woman and decide for her what is best. I thank God....that we have laws that prevent at least half of your worldview from seeing reality.

The freedom you stand for...is this

http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/Enlargement.cfm?ID=38

 

That's an interesting picture you linked to, it's a shame that upon examination a gyno doctor said -