Nobody Has Been Charged For The Killing Of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick—Here’s Why

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  1. jhil2020

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    Not sure if MP or MSG... I only had it once at Quantico. It was really bad for one ginger who locked-up after exposure and I think we had one guy get it twice after wiping some from his face during his first run. One MP in my class said he would rather get tased again than OC-sprayed again.

    I don't doubt that bear spray is close to OC, especially if you get a large exposure that blasts into your orifices, but there is no more use anchoring this case in one riot than there is one case among the hundreds of riots in the past year.

    It showed again that political intolerance is wrong, yes, but I still contend that we have to look back many years to put the current events in proper context if we want to understand them properly. If we apply an equal standard across partisan lines, we conclude that either casualties are acceptable or that all political violence should be prosecuted. Truth is probably the latter, but the theory of tolerance is not translating into practiced behavior, and we can see it when we compare public opinion to chopper-cam feeds.
     
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    The point is that bear spray was brought to the riot/ insurrection as an offensive weapon by those who turned out to be Trump's Terrorists. You may say that there is no law against carrying bear spray. That is true but bear spray is logically carried by hikers or fishermen if you do not have a sidearm for protection. I went through the pictures and videos of the terrorist attack / riot and I did not see any bears dressed up in police uniforms nor any bears dressed in civics who could have been undercover/ plainclothes. Based on that it reinforces my assertion that the Trump followers brought the bear spray specifically as an offensive weapon.
     
  3. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Trayvon Martin was not a threat tomZimmerman but Zimmerman murdered him anyway.

    Just curious were you standing opposite of the doors that the female Veteran was side by side Trump's terrorists who were trying to push through and forced to defend themself ? No, ok thought so.,
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Alex, Jones that is.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OOOOOH that looks bad for the narrative! The media is being exposed.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Huh!
     
  7. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    You very clearly are very clearly wrong about our understanding of terrorism.m
     
  8. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What bear spray? The was pure speculation that "bear spray" caused or contributed and bear spray is just another name for pepper spray, it doesn't kill bears or people.

    It was reported and even declared in the impeachment that he was violently attacked with a fire extinguisher and died from blunt force trauma. And that has been constantly spouted in the MSM and with the House Dems declared Trump is responsible for a MURDER. That is hogwash. The ME has not released any such report and the witness statements and timeline point differently and the NYT has quietly RETRACTED it's reporting.

    So when will the House Democrats retract the Article of Impeachment?
     
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    So you think had the effects of pepperspray along with being attacked by Trumps terrorists had nothing to do with creating a stress level that could likely have triggered a stroke. So if an elderly relative of yours dies ( has a heart attack or stroke) a short while after shoveling snow you would discount the snow shoveling as a trigger?

    Whatbif it was really ANTIFA that attacked the Capitol and officers died soon after you would say that it was not thevattack by ANTIFA terrorists?

    Thatbis a Question!n
     
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    The insurrection was real..........not hyperbole.

     
  11. Bluesguy

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    We don't even know the name of the shooter on that one or the results of that investigation.

    And I think the BLARING question remains. Will the House rescind the article of impeachment since it attributes a MURDER to Trump.
     
  12. Bluesguy

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    Pure speculation and conjecture, is that enough to proclaim someone is responsible for murder?
     
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    I don’t know.
     
  14. truth and justice

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    Are the names of the Secret Service staff often publisized?
     
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    Correct. The party of defunding the police (plus McConnell) are covering for their own police officer who clearly shot someone who was not a deadly threat.

    The Party of Impeachment is the Party of the Big Lie. They will recind nothing.
     
  16. PARTIZAN1

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    The Articles of Impeachment was not for murder so no retraction is needed. You statement of objection to the impeachment stands moot.
    Let's play the game and say that the fire extinguisher report was not totally accurate. Why is there footage of a Trump Terrorist throwing a red object that looks like a fire extinguisher? Why is Theater document evidence in photos and videos of fire extinguishers laying on the floor of the Capitol ?

    What revisionist Alt Facts will we hear next? Will someone claim that
    Capitol Police were not beaten with a flag pole:

    https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/2021...olice-officer-with-american-flag-during-riot/

    Or see this

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/...cer-beating-trump-go-home-message-sot-vpx.cnn
    Even a local Fox outlet says so:

    https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/m...ican-flag-during-capitol-riot-prosecutors-say

    Get the point? Even if some reports proove to be incorrect about some occurrences as can happen in a chaotic situation that does not render the acts of Trump's terrorists moot.

    Hey at the beginning of WWII there were a few minor stories about the Japanese attack on Pearl that were not exactly correct still the attack on Pearl happened. Was FDR to have Un Declared War?
     
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    The fact that Trump supporters are trying to play down the death of this policeman is pretty compelling evidence that even they don't really believe the 'ANTIFA dunnit' BS that was pushed so hard on this forum & elsewhere a few weeks back. If the yreally though this was ANTIFA they would be claiming this man was beaten, tortured, burned & then hung from the flag pole where the Trump flag proudly flew.
     
  18. jack4freedom

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    If a violent mob enters a place of business, a home or a public building and are confronted by police, then in the melee, someone is killed in the crossfire or dies as a result of being there legally and is doing his job, the mob is responsible for his death. This healthy 42 year old officer reported to work in the morning of January 6, a mob of angry, armed Trump supporters attacked the Capitol during his shift throwing projectiles and beating people, including police officers with clubs, bats and torn down steel barriers. He was dead before the sun came up on January 7th. I would suggest that the mob, and therefore Trump could very well have caused his death.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    I go to work and have a rough day with rough customers and go home and later die of a heart attack. Is my boss responsible for a murder?

    He was not beaten, there was no traumatic injury according to the reports. He was not beaten to death. How many other police officers died later that night? How many protesters? It appears he had an underlying health condition which unfortunately caused his death later that night. That's not murder. That is not something you can pin on Trump as the Dems did as a MURDER. So now that after the trial ended and it was leaked that rioters did not kill him, there was no murder and the NYT had to issues a retraction shouldn't the House rescind that official Article of Impeachment which is part of the historical record and falsely claims Trump was party to a murder? Talk about a slander.

    And WHERE IS the official report. The initial ME statement on cause of death. Why is he not speaking up and confirming either way?
     
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    "injured and killed law enforcement personnel,"

    And let's don't play games, the reports and statements of the family say there was no traumatic injury.



    WAIT A MINUTE...........Trump was IMPEACHED based on reports, reports that were not proven. If this is not true then why did the NYT issue a retraction of it's previous reporting? Let's don't play pretend let's deal with the facts.
     
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    No incitement of insurrection is the charge and it noted the false claims of fraudulent election. They did not nor did they need to mention each type of crime that Trumps terrorists committed. He inc outraged lawlessness. Like breaking into the Capitol, hurting police, stealing laptops, stealing papers, stealing personal property, breaking items among other things isn't enough.
     
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    OK,

    1)Trump summons a mob of “stop the steal” supporters to Washington DC on January 6, the exact day and time when both houses of Congress were scheduled to officially count the already certified EC votes sent to DC by every state in the Union.

    2) The rally had been scheduled for a later date and permits to demonstrate were approved early in December. Trump administration coordinates with those who plan to come to DC and gets them to change the date to late morning, January 6 instead of the original date.

    3) This mob shows up and Trump Junior says: “We are coming after them (those who will not vote to reverse the election) and it’s going to be fun”, then Guiliani says “now we try trial by combat” then their idol Donald J Trump comes to the podium and fires them up into a frenzy saying things like you must fight like hell or you will not have a country interspliced with a bunch of lies about the election being stolen from him and them. (He had been spreading this crap since months before the election and right up to the day of the insurrection)

    4) Trump tells the crazed frothing at the mouth mob to walk down Pennsylvania Ave and fight like hell and that he would be right there with them. True to his lying, gutless nature, Trump does not go with them and slips out the back like the filthy coward he is and always has been.

    5) 20 minutes later the angry mob starts tearing down barriers, confronting and overwhelming police and security forces with their far superior numbers using clubs, mace, stolen police shields projectiles and breach the Capitol Building itself screaming out to kill Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi and others. Meanwhile Trump is prancing around the White House giddy with joy after seeing the vote count stopped and hearing reports that the law makers were being whisked away to safety. He did nothing except tweet more insults at Mike Pence while he and his family were being closed in on by the murderous mob.

    4) Finally after hours of his morons occupying the US Capitol, crapping and pissing on the walls and floors, battering policemen, stealing, destroying property and threatening our representatives, while more Trumpists were crawling up the walls like cockroaches outside the buildings and smashing doors and windows. Trump tweets to his mob....”We love you, you are very special, the election was stolen from us, but go home”.....

    Your take, the House is guilty of slander and anybody who criticized Trump or his mob should immediately retract.....ROFL
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    Do you ever NOT move the goal posts?
     
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    There was no insurrection attempt, that was definitely hyperbole.
     
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    No evidence of a traumatic injury but they repeated over and over that he was assaulted and Trump is responsible.

    He died from a stroke later after reporting he felt fine. How many other police died because they were simply there? How many died because there was pepper spray in the air, how many protestors? Yet the Dems tried to claim he was killed, murdered at the rally and Trump is responsible.

    They should do the right thing and withdraw the Article of Impeachment. Then they can impeach him again on something else. If you don't think so why not?
     

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