North Korea threatening to attack Guam

The bizarro leadership in N.Korea has responded to Trump's Tuesday sabre rattling by threatening to attack the island of Guam, site of a US submarine base and Anderson AFB.

The lunatic Un and his minions might just do it,although I doubt that their missile guidance technology is capable of hitting a cow in the butt at 10 feet.

But what next? If N.Korea makes an aggressive move using a ballistic guided weapon(s), what should the United States response be?

Level N. Korea with nuclear weapons? Let's not forget the innocent people forced to live in N. Korea, especially those in prison camps. And then there are the Chinese and Russians. How would they react to a US retaliatory strike?

My initial thought is a massive conventional and surgical retaliatory strike and see what N. Korea's reaction is. However, I hope that a diplomatic solution can be reached and military action can be avoided.

What's your opinion?

Cheers,
Jason Bourne

 

First, I want to remind readers that the U.S. and N Korea haven't had diplomatic discussions for years. The first "madness" related to this issue is the fact that the contestants aren't even talking with each other. How do you settle disputes with someone you aren't even talking to?

The U.S. could logistically win a war with N Korea, but there are innocents involved here who would pay a devastating price if war actually starts. Both S Korea and Japan are in the gun sights of N Korea, and Un has repeatedly promised to attack them if war starts. Seoul is in a particularly threatened position being only a few miles south of the N Korean border, and within striking distance of pre-positioned howitzers and a very large standing army. Japan would be harder for N Korea to hit effectively, but any conflict there would result in great pain and misery for Japan as well. The U.S. must be forever thoughtful and considerate of the impact any action taken will have on all others involved. I have concerns whether our present President has the capacity to be this thoughtful or considerate.

Thirdly, and lastly for this post, I want to mention that few people I've ever met have ever really considered the effect of an atomic attack on the U.S. Atomic weapons aren't simply bigger than normal bombs. They have effects and after-effects far beyond a simple explosive blast. Most Americans think it would take hundreds or thousands of hits across the country to whip us, but the truth is far more somber. I submit it would take only a handful of atomic hits on a few of the major cities in America to effectively shut us functionally down. When you realize a single atomic bomb would wipe out most of the population of any major city, like New York or Los Angeles, or Chicago, or Seattle, plus kill all the electrical power there, plus nullify every mechanical device for miles around, so no part of what was a working society would be left functioning--not even medical institutions to help the wounded or dying, it becomes apparent very fast how devastated we would be as a society and a nation after even a minor atomic attack. If we become sucked into conflict with N Korea, we could ourselves become depleted by the conflict, while our more powerful opponents, Russia and China watch from the sidelines, safe with their own unused atomic munitions. Not a nice thought.

 

Thankyou for your post. I share your concerns.
Sadly I think USA and its allies have no choice now. The Trump administration knows and has accepted this war of words will become a war of bombs...the US has in my view had one major advantage in that up till now has had time on her side to plan the inevitable, satellite surveillance, ally coordination, missile defence and so on. This has been obvious with carriers cruising the Pacific to Australia and other ports rather than remaining near the Korean peninsula. The US knows its timeline and this subsequent delay has succeeded in the UN latest sanctions togther with some distaste by Russia and China spilling over against Un's regime...something we've all been waiting for.....but we cant get too excited about....some countries have mastered the u-turn!
I'm no expert but conventional warfare is the only option in a relentless raining of missiles on selected targets....many just beyond the demilitarised zone.
But the US war planners know that it wont be a "walk in the park"....woth difficult terrain, hidden rockets and countless brainwashed soldiers...but a necessary sacrifice of many people to the benefit of many more.
The risk of waiting is riskier.

 

Intermediaries. Russia, China are possibilities. They have the ability to isolate N. Korea.

Cheers,
Jason Bourne

 

Guam is rhetoric.....probably. The US is a better target. They're not ready to attack us yet. Just close.

 

For anything to happen in North Korea, China is going to have to apply some serious pressure and threats.
If the U.S. and China were in complete agreement over something, North Korea would most likely cave in. Unless they're crazy, which is also a distinct possibility.

China though wants to keep North Korea as a buffer and has been very satisfied with the status quo. But that could potentially change if North Korea becomes more of a liability than an asset. China doesn't want a crazy regime with nuclear capability on its border and so close to its capital. (Beijing is only 420 miles away from the North Korean border)

 

WTAF?

Oh please.....you don't honestly think that NK really want to nuke America do you?

You've become rather easy to frighten as a country haven't you - One would've thought you were a little less panicky by now.

Invested in a bomb shelter yet?

 

You're talking about a lunatic who has had 42 members of his family executed. He's capable of anything.

Cheers,
Jason Bourne

 

I said it was rhetoric but you'd rather paint me as a crank or something, right. And I said they weren't going to attack us. Remember??!! They aren't going to waste a nuke/missile on Guam. They want to threaten the continental US. But actually using one is suicidal. They want to be able to threaten us not actually nuke us. If we attack them they will lash out with 1-3 missiles aimed at us but then it's over with for Kim. Not a good strategy for him.

Maybe you should try reading what people actually wrote instead of trying to score virtual points on a forum.

 

There's one major problem with this thought: The idea that our allies SK/Japan, would simply sit by the sidelines and let themselves be sitting ducks to a NK offensive. Or the idea that the NK military would be able to surpass the military might of our allies. NK is a paper tiger. Without its nuclear capabilities, what is NK? Instead of letting South Korea and Japan be vulnerable, agree to a military pact with SK/Japan. Have our military generals declare that an 'attack on one, is an attack on all'. NATO-Style.

Of course, it's not just defensive. If NK shows signs of mobilizing, we should take the initiative before they mobilize and make a push for the NK Government and the Jong regime.

 

You're missing one of his major points although suffering of innocents does include the US as well as NK/SK.

We're talking 1-3 mushroom clouds on US soil. They fire five 3 or so gets thru most likely.

There are far worse things than the kill blast radius. EMP kills all cars, smartphones, TVs, many radios, ATMs, use of credit cards/banking/finance system, hospital monitoring and everything but basic care. Some ability to operate and nursing care continues but medicines become a problem as does running and restocking the hospital. No ambulances, police other than foot and a few horse and some bicycle patrols. No rapid response. Criminals going nuts with home invasions looking for drugs, money, guns, and food. No gas at the pumps for even older cars and mopeds etc. No resupply of grocery stores. People are going to die by the millions. No AC now or many homes no heat. Pump stations won't work well or at all. Water supplies may be compromised. Sewer treatment is gone.

That's all off the top of my head.

Best to take him out. I just don't think we can. Maybe the Chinese but then they are likely the source of the missile technology as well as the miniaturization etc of the weapons. There's an ominous reason NK is years ahead of schedule. Hope I'm wrong.

 

Relax, it's just showing off.

 

All just rhetoric. How will NK hit Guam, 2000 miles away? They have no guidance system and why would they even bother firing a blind nuclear missile at a tiny island knowing that NK will be destroyed within minutes

 

If North Korea did not have missiles and nuclear weapons, then the United States invades and kill millions of Koreans under squeals about freedom and democracy.

 

Good theory. I don't expect that Chinese govt is helping him, though. They don't have sufficient control over him to trust him with the tech. I would suggest some rogues for hire out of Pakistan and China...

 

MSM wants a nuclear war

 

Yes, true. But working thru intermediaries is much harder than direct dialogue, and more prone to misinterpretations and mistakes. I vote for direct dialogue, immediately.

 

I'm no expert on N Korea, but have repeatedly read they have a standing army of 1 million, trained, equipped and ready to go. We don't. I think regarding N Korea as a paper tiger is a bit too optimistic. Under estimating an opponent can and has led to devastating consequences in the past. Let's learn from history, not repeat it!

 

If a war with N Korea would have to happen, it would have to be a "blitzkrieg" like we never saw. Probably a war where most of the ennemy army would be defeated in one half hour with use of supersonic missiles and planes.

 

I say let China and Russia handle it, because Washington makes a mess out of everything they touch... which makes me wonder, if their actual intention is population control... the hard way.

Take that you untermensch.
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Our foreign minister said today that he advices all sides to step back. It gets very dangerous now and is like the beginning of WW I. Which started with a small event.

 

When I said that China and Russia should handle N. Korea, I meant in their own way. In other words they should give N. Korea the respect and courtesy they treat all nations. I did not mean they should handle N. Korea the way Washington would want them to, with bullying and threats.

The stakes are much too high to play 'we're stronger than you' games.

 

No one really knows if it's true, because the MSM lies about everything no matter how ridiculous it is. They think people are idiots, and guess what they are.

To give you an example, I went on to google to find some factual videos and information from credible sources on Syria that I came across three years ago, and before I could find them, I had to get past google's first page and its ten media accounts which were nothing but lies.

 

The North Korean State TV are the ones that report those killings. The US just airs what they air...

 

NK, if they have small nukes would only use them if invaded by the rogue war mongering US who invades sovereign nations, generally based upon lies. This is why NK has to have nukes. To keep our neocon sociopaths from doing to them what we do regularly now. NK is rational, for only nukes and the ability to deliver them on target, ICBMs will keep us from invasion. My worry is, we know they cannot deliver them now and might invade in before they can actually develop the ability to use them as insurance.