1. As far back as February 20, 2013, I pointed out "at least 50 years of headache for China, Japan and US" in my thread at http://www.politicalforum.com/index...or-china-japan-and-us.290390/#post-1062312653 (Begin excerpts) South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak said on Friday (15 Feb) that North Korea can never be made to abandon its nuclear weapons programme, arguing that only regime collapse could remove the threat from Pyongyang. Alas! It is a fat hope for the Kim Dynasty to end so soon. Kim Jong-un is about 30 years old. Assuming that he won't meet with any fatal accident or get any deadly disease like cancer or AIDS, he could easily live to more than 80 years old. By then he would have outlasted many American, Chinese and Japanese leaders. Thus the next period of 50 years is no cause for optimism in Asia. It will be a period of tension and conflicts in the Korean Peninsula. We shall see him dominating and directing the events in Northeast Asia. He will be the source of headache for China, Japan and the US. (End excerpts) 2. According to https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5e968913712_story.html?utm_term=.41de893b9b4b (Begin excerpts) ...North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho told diplomats that his country will never negotiate away what he called a rational “strategic option” against the threat of attack from the United States. “We will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets” up for negotiation, Ri said in prepared remarks, adding that the entire United States is within range of its missiles.... (End excerpts) North Korea has vowed many times that it will never give up its nuclear weapons. However, Chinese leaders seem never understand what the North Korean regime is talking. They seem to underestimate its ruthless determination in pursuing nuclear weapons. Hence they keep chanting the mantra "Dialogue and negotiations are the only way out", forgetting the humiliating, unequal treaties imposed by Western imperial powers and the Japanese Empire after every so-called dialogue during the 19th and early 20th centuries. Dialogue and negotiations can only yield results when one side is stronger than the other. Usually after a war, the conqueror would force the conquered to "negotiate" for an unequal treaty. Examples of such treaties were the Treaty of Versailles, Treaty of San Francisco, Treaty of Sevres, Cairo Treaty and Potsdam Agreements. http://www.politicalforum.com/index...and-negotiations-are-the-only-way-out.513713/ 3. At a news conference in China on 5 September 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Kim Jong Un would allow his people to “eat grass” before he ever gives up his nuclear and missile defense programs. North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons raises some interesting questions. What will North Korea do with its growing stockpile of nuclear weapons some years down the road? Will Fatboy Kim dismantle his nuclear missiles to feed his people with scrap metals if there is no more grass left for them to "graze"? Even if scrap metals can be eaten, we don't expect the "Ball of Fat" to dismantle his nuclear weapons to feed his people. To him, nuclear weapons are more important and precious than the lives of his people. Then we come to the final and most important question: What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons? It is not for ensuring the survival of the North Korean regime as commonly propagated by the state media. This lame excuse is refuted by the following facts. (a) It was not nuclear weapons but Chinese intervention that rescued the North Korean communists and prevented them from completely wiped out by US-led UN forces in the 1950 Korean War. (b) It is the Chinese nuclear umbrella that ensures the continued survival of the "Impossible State". (c) It is the Chinese economic lifeline that prevents the collapse of the "Impossible State". Taking away the China factor from the equation, the nuclear-armed rogue state would be just as vulnerable and helpless as Saddam Hussein"s Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi's Libya or a lone island in the ocean. Now we come back to the question: What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons? North Korea cannot keep on accumulating nuclear weapons for ever. There will come a point in time it has to put them into "good use". For what use and purpose? It's not hard to see the goal of North Korea's nuclear missile programme, that is, to finish the unfinished business of the 1950 Korean War to subdue the South and rule the Korean Peninsula under the banner of the Kim Dynasty using nuclear blackmail. Once the US forces withdraw from Asia, the majority of the population in South Korea would rather opt to wave the white flag than see their country become a "sea of fire". 4. Unlike communist North Vietnam which tried to whip up anti-war sentiment among American sympathisers with pictures of horrors inflicted by US forces on innocent Vietnamese civilians during the Vietnam War, North Korea is just doing the opposite. It is engaging in a policy of nuclear blackmail to strike terror into the hearts of Americans to get them call their government to withdraw from Asia so that it can achieve its ultimate goal of subduing the South. As seen in the following links, North Korea's nuclear threats against America do work to some extent. (a) According to https://www.yahoo.com/news/guam-residents-fear-attack-north-korea-statements-033540651.html "Residents of the tiny Pacific island of Guam say they're afraid of being caught in the middle of escalating tensions between the U.S. and North Korea after Pyongyang announced it was examining plans for attacking the strategically important U.S. territory. Though local officials downplayed any threat, people who live and work on the island, which serves as a launching pad for the U.S. military, said Wednesday they could no longer shrug off the idea of being a potential target." (b) According to https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...35979791/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com& "The growing nuclear anxiety felt by a majority of Americans – borne out in recent opinion polls, and in parallels made to the Cuban missile crisis – points to just how much the recent standoff with North Korea has seeped into the public consciousness." (c) And there are already voices of appeasement in the US such as "It’s time to recognize that North Korea is a nuclear power." If this happens, the day won't be far off for North Korean tanks to roll all the way to Seoul and one of them will crash through the gates of the Blue House. Seeing a small impoverished state could easily achieve such an incredible feat, China would be tempted or felt compelled to "liberate" Taiwan by nuclear blackmail. If America is forced by the fear of nuclear war to withdraw from Asia, its may let South Korea, Japan and even Taiwan develop nuclear weapons as a last resort. This last step will surely send the stupid Japanophobic Chinese leaders screaming in protest. 5. In the "Arabian Nights", Sinbad was enslaved by the Old Man of the Sea, who rode on his shoulders with his legs twisted round Sinbad's neck and would not let go, riding him both day and night until Sinbad would welcome death. Similarly, China had been carrying the North Korean burden since the 1950 Korean War. Unlike Sinbad who managed to get rid of his deadly burden, Chinese leaders are stupid enough to continue shouldering the North Korean economic burden, treasuring it like "the jewel in the crown" of the whole country. Chinese leaders may have the illusion that they are like the ancient Greek gods on Olympus, just observing the conflicts of mankind from the heights. If they err for a second time to drag themselves into another Korean War, their folly could bring China back to the era of the Qing Dynasty. Looking back at the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese war, it won't be difficult for China to see that it will be the next target once North Korea succeeds to subdue the South with nuclear blackmail. North Korean nuclear missiles can already hit all Chinese cities. The whole of China is within the range of North Korean nuclear missiles before they can reach America. If the Rocket Man decides to fire a few nuclear missiles at some densely-populated Chinese regions, there is no way China can shoot them down even if it has the technology. North Korean nuclear missiles are too close to China for comfort. It is just like facing a gunman a few metres away. Thus in the final analysis, China will end up as the main loser whether in war or peace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinbad_the_Sailor http://www.uexpress.com/tell-me-a-story/2001/4/29/sinbad-and-the-old-man-of http://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world...weapons/ar-AArm9bz?li=AAaGkVj&ocid=spartandhp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty https://www.thoughtco.com/unequal-treaties-195456 http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/the-treaty-of-versailles/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference https://www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/cairo-treaty-chinas-moral-claim-to-the-diaoyu-islands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/the-treaty-of-sevres/ http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tablish-the-equilibrium-of-real-force.514534/
Thank you very much. I would like to see more constructive criticisms from more American and Western readers and to share their views.
You made the same point that I have made in discussions with people on PF. North Korea does not need nukes for its own security. (1) The U.S. and South Korea are not looking for a war of reunification with North Korea. North Korea knows this. (2) North Korea's territorial security is guaranteed by China and Russia, two nuclear powers. North Korea knows this also. (3) Therefore, the only reason North Korea seeks to possess nuclear weapons is to be able to carry out the nuclear blackmail you described. Kim seeks to force the reunification of the Koreas under his rule someday. With Kim possessing an arsenal of nuclear ICBMs, the U.S. will have no choice but to let him have South Korea. The U.S. will not trade a devastating nuclear attack upon our nation in exchange for the welfare of South Korea. We will capitulate, as will the South Koreans under the threat of nuclear annihilation if they don't. There is no other logical reason for his pursuit of nuclear weapons. If we are to ever prevent that outcome, Kim's nuclear program has to be stopped now.
Well said. History will tell us how America can stop Kim's nuclear program now. On the subject of Korean reunification, I propose the idea of "Switzerland of Asia" for the Korean Peninsula -- democratic, peace-loving, geopolitically neutral and free of foreign bases and troops. If Switzerland, a landlocked country, can achieve democracy, unity, peace, neutrality, progress and prosperity even though it is surrounded by such European powers as Germany, France, Italy and Austria, I see no reason why Korea cannot ultimately become the "Switzerland of Asia". A democratic, neutral, united, prosperous, progressive and peace-loving Korea should be beneficial to all countries including China, Japan, Russia, America, the European Union and all other US allies. Of course, such a plan would be furiously opposed by the North Korean communists, particularly the Kim Dynasty. http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/switzerland/
Thanks for your reply. 1. What is your workable solution on the North Korean problem? 2. How do you stop Kim's nuclear program now? 3. Do you think it is right for Trump to threaten total destruction on North Korea? Instead of having two guys talking to each other all the while, it would be more interesting to get more readers participate in the discussion to give their valuable opinions on solving the Korean problem.
Excellent Post. Many forget that N Korea is Under that Umbrella. That Lil Kim don't need nukes. As he would still be under China's protection. Neither the US nor S Korea would be looking to invade N Korea if Lil Kim didn't have Nukes. What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons? It is not for ensuring the survival of the North Korean regime as commonly propagated by the state media. This lame excuse is refuted by the following facts. (a) It was not nuclear weapons but Chinese intervention that rescued the North Korean communists and prevented them from completely wiped out by US-led UN forces in the 1950 Korean War. (b) It is the Chinese nuclear umbrella that ensures the continued survival of the "Impossible State". (c) It is the Chinese economic lifeline that prevents the collapse of the "Impossible State". Taking away the China factor from the equation, the nuclear-armed rogue state would be just as vulnerable and helpless as Saddam Hussein"s Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi's Libya or a lone island in the ocean......snip~
Reedak, my belief is that there is only one peaceful way left that might force Kim to give up his nuclear weapons and nuclear program. It is not sanctions, but a full and total embargo of NK. Of course, this is only possible if the Chinese and Russians agree to an embargo and truly want to enforce it. There is no embargo without China's and Russia's full commitment to it. A full embargo would mean that NK could neither import or export anything. They also could not do business with anybody outside the country. No international commerce whatsoever. No travel outside the country whatsoever. No ships would be allowed to go to NK or leave NK. There would be no air travel into or out of North Korea. Complete and total isolation. I believe the U.S. should propose a total embargo of NK to the U.N. Security Council. If the Russians or Chinese refuse, then later, no one can say we didn't try for a peaceful solution. I think it is vitally important for the Chinese and Russians to know that the U.S. will resort to military action to end NK's nuclear program if all else fails. You asked if I think it's right for Trump to threaten the total destruction of NK? Yes, I do. That doesn't mean that military action must result in the total destruction of NK however. The nuclear program can be struck and set back without that. But if Kim does something in response - like opening up his artillery on Seoul - then I believe we will have to stop that immediately, and the only way to do that would be by using all of our power, and that would result in the destruction of NK in a matter of hours, not months or years. Talking, negotiating, and now sanctions have all been tried. If we are to end this threat to the United States, South Korea, and others, it will only be with a very, very hard line. It's either that or we capitulate and sentence South Korea to its fate, and sentence future generations of Americans to living under the threat of nuclear destruction by a paranoid, murderous, self-isolated dictator with a god complex. This will be our legacy to all of them if we don't show courage and resolve now. Seth
There a simpler solution...quit There is a simpler solution, quit threatening him and USA get rid of your arrogant attitude...start dialogue between N and S Korea, they are one nation and one people...at least they were until the UK, USA, Japan separated them in the late forties....USA go home at that point and let N and S Korea work it out for themselves...very simple solution... thre
Thanks for your comment. What do you think Trump should do next to resolve the North Korean problem? What is your opinion on South Korea's latest plan to offer of $8 million dollars in humanitarian aid to North Korea? Does it help to "soften" Fatboy Kim's heart and resolve the North Korean nuclear crisis? http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/south-korea-offers-8-million-in.html
Well said. Thanks for putting forward such a detailed plan to solve the Korean problem. Hopefully you are one of Trump's advisers. Total embargo is a great plan. However, I don't think Russia and China in particular will agree to a total embargo against North Korea. In such a situation, will Trump take any action against China and Russia for their refusal to cooperate in the plan? If then, what actions? Being forced in a corner like a wounded tiger by the total embargo, will there be a risk that North Korea will strike out desperately at South Korea to launch a second Korean War? It seems that not only Russia and China but also South Korea will oppose any embargo against North Korea. In the latest news, Yonhap News Agency reported on Thursday that South Korea's Ministry of Unification has offered $8 million dollars in humanitarian aid to North Korea. The money would be delivered via international organisations. Well, it appears that North Korea's nuclear blackmail has achieved good success with the South. South Korea's appeasement will convince and encourage Fatboy Kim that he is well on the path to eventual victory in the Korean Peninsula. http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/09/south-korea-offers-8-million-in.html
Thanks for offering your "very simple solution". South Korea has proposed military talks with North Korea to discuss ways to avoid hostile acts near the heavily militarized border. So far there is no response from North Korea to the proposal for talks. It would be safe for South Korea to let the US make preparations for home only after a successful dialogue between the two Koreas. "Successful" in the sense that North Korea agrees to dismantle all its nuclear weapons, perhaps sending them to the US in exchange for humanitarian food aid. There can only be a full withdrawal after the US is sure that all North Korean nuclear weapons have been dismantled. Lastly, please comment on Mr Bullock's solution. Isn't this solution vicious enough? (这 样 的 方 法 够 毒 吗 ? pronounced "zhe yang de fang fa gou du ma") https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...poses-military-talks-with-north-idUSKBN1A200J http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_northkorea/803791.html https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...d-proposed-military-talks-seoul/#.WcNHbLpuLIU
Ha! I'm just a plain ol' regular citizen. No, I don't think so. But if the U.S. uses military force, and China and Russia condemn that action, the U.S. can look right back at them and remind them that they refused to go along with an embargo, a last resort to avoid military action. The U.S. may also rightfully point out that NK is their client state, not ours. And in the decades over which NK has been developing these nuclear weapons, they have done exactly nothing to stop it. Both of them remind me of parents who enable the bad behavior of their evil child, and finally some other adult has to do something about it. Their punishment should be that the world will know that NK was their bad child, but the only adult in the room was the United States. In my opinion, whatever military action the U.S. takes should be unilateral; that is, without any involvement of the South Korean armed forces. The strike should not even be launched from South Korean soil. If we do it on our own, any strike at South Korea by North Korea would be patently illegal, for it would not have been South Korea that did anything to them. My opinion is that the U.S. is not interested in having a second Korean War. The first Korean War killed almost 3.5 million people, including around 2.5 million civilians. That doesn't include the missing and wounded. I am certain that the U.S. will not engage in a war like that against Kim. My sense is that if he does something that is significant - like unleashing his artillery on Seoul - the U.S. would probably put an end to North Korea as we know it very quickly. I really don't care if South Korea wants to play nice with North Korea. Keep in mind that this is only secondarily about our alliance with South Korea. Kim's ICBMs are a direct threat to our security. This isn't only about the protection of our allies. It is also for our own protection. And as I said above, I don't want South Korea involved with whatever we do anyway. So if they want to be nice to North Korea, I'm fine with that. Seth
I don't know what Trump can do resolve the situation. He can't force the N Koreans to come and talk. The whole point of the talks is over the nuclear issue. Which Lil Kim says the nuclear issue is off the table. No need to talk. Trump can't force China to put a full embargo on N Korea. Nor Putin. Sanctions take time and these super duper heavy duty toughest of the tuff sanctions are out of time. That being said.....if there can be no diplomacy. Then its time to do what we need to do. The problem is as bad as it is due to others kicking the can down the road. The situation will only be worse going forward. Before any strike.....I think the US, and Japan should shoot down any missiles launched by N Korea. I actually think China and Russia should also tell Lil Kim the same thing. That they will shoot his missiles out of the sky. Tell China and Russia the planet will be watching. The UN will be watching and how the planet will cheer them on for doing the Right thing. S Korea needs to quit appeasing N Korea. N Korea has broken the truce. Acknowledged that they have quit the armistice. They have attacked S Korea. US Personnel on the DMZ, and have kidnapped people from Japan. They also helped the Syrians with their nuclear reactor that the Israelis took out. Japan has now come out and said. Dialogue with N Korea does not work. Abe says all Options are on the table now.
Most of what you posted in fiction, and has no facts to support it.... If "orange hair man" in Washington cannot start diplomacy and talk the situation out, then send Dennis Rodman again..he seems to have a much better understanding of the situation and can discuss things with the North, without threatening and belittling them.
Haven't read history books much have you. When you get done with school and the homework. Let me know when you find those facts and are caught up with the Korean Reality.
I have lived through the "Korean Reality" hotshot....the 1950 war was a war of reunification, after the imperialist powers of GB, USA, Japan had divided the country...it is one people, and one country....time the great satan from America got it's nose out of their affairs, and went home and dealt with their own problems, and they have a lot...if they cannot help the Korean people reunite the country peacefully, then butt out... In 1950 the USA got their butts kicked, and had to cry out to the UN to send troops from all nations to bail them out...this is what happened, which is typical of the many USA initiated wars.
One people, one country, one family dynasty, one emperor cum dictator, one mass grave, one sea of fire, three (four or even more?) generations of tyrants, multitude of prisoners and slaves... https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-threatens-turn-south-sea-fire-154240821.html
1. You should know very well that North Korea engages in Orwellian-style rewrites of history. The 1950 war was not a war of reunification but invasion by the North. Even its protector China now admits that it was North Korea that dealt the first blow. According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3096265.stm (Begin excerpts) According to most history books, the 1950-53 Korean War ended in stalemate, after an unsuccessful attempt by the North to forcibly unify the peninsula. But that is not what North Korean schoolchildren learn. They are taught that the war was started by the United States and ended in "glorious victory" for Pyongyang. North Korea's version not only rewrites the war, but also re-interprets facts in an effort to shore up the Pyongyang regime, which continues in power to this day. (End excerpts) 2. According to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...746/China-rewrites-history-of-Korean-War.html (Begin excerpts) The official Chinese media stated for the first time that it was North Korea that dealt the first blow. In a special report, Xinhua's International Affairs journal said: "On June 25, 1950, the North Korean army marched over 38th Parallel and started the attack. Three days later, Seoul fell."... (End excerpts) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ea-10-starkest-paragraphs-from-UN-report.html https://www.koreabang.com/2012/stories/n-korea-claims-s-korea-started-korean-war-netizens-laugh.html
Gee, maybe we shouldn't have sold them reactors from a company Rumsfeld had once sat on the board of directors of a mere two years before we placed them on an axis of evil list. Ah, but wait, then we learned this: https://thediplomat.com/2014/01/north-korea-may-have-two-thirds-of-worlds-rare-earths/
Under the North Korean regime's "military first" policy, all economic resources are diverted to the military and its nuclear missile programme . Hence the common people do not benefit from the mineral wealth. It is hard for North Korea to export its mineral resources under current US sanctions. Moreover, resource-rich countries generally suffer from “resource curse” as pointed out in http://www.slate.com/articles/busin...urce_rich_countries_usually_end_up_poor_.html "On average, resource-rich countries have done even more poorly than countries without resources. They have grown more slowly and with greater inequality—just the opposite of what one would expect."
Which is why our corporate state wants access to the resources. This is what we use our military for these days. We have the same issue here which is why we trail the advanced post industrial world in terms of healthcare and education:
In my opinion, a unified Korea will bring peace and stability to Northeast Asia. The reunification of Korea must not take place under the banner of the brutal Kim Dynasty. If you wish to take over the leadership from Fatboy Kim, I shall support you sky high with my hands and legs as I am sure that no matter how bad you are, you won't be worse than the Kim species.
