NY Attorney General Moves To Dissolve The NRA After Fraud Investigation

I don't know if the NRA management is corrupt or not. It is for the court to decide. My problem is with the concept of shutting down the NRA because of some alleged corruption. That doesn't even meet the common sense test and won't happen. It is all a political ploy. She should be thrown out of office for using the judicial system to further political agendas. She is corrupt to be sure.

 

No the real reason is for her to pursue her anti-gun agenda. She is using the judicial system to achieve political goals like FBI has been doing. She is more corrupt than any management at the NRA. Abuse of power is always ugly.

 

Her complaint would argue against this being political, suggest you digest a few pages of it this weekend... I've read several dozen pages and see no mention of guns or gun rights anywhere.

https://ag.ny.gov/sites/default/files/summons_and_complaint_1.pdf

Even a few conservatives on this thread have recommended major changes are needed at this corrupt organization. She likely won't get it completely shut down, but it will have to start following the laws of NY and their own bylaws if she doesn't, which is a good thing.

 

It is political on the NY AG's part but in this case, probably a good thing. The NRA will relocate and be just fine.
The misuse of funds on a few executives part was known by a number of people including board members, executives associated with the board members, the gun people who listen to NRA related podcasts, and the general public who were questioning the outlandish spending habits like private jets rented under the guise of "I need this for security purposes" or cosmetics purchased on the NRA credit card, and the hiring of a relative to do the "marketing & PR" receiving millions for their failed efforts.
This all blew up and became quite public a couple of years ago following the resignation of a number of prominent board members who had made an attempt to oust LaPierre. The major donors stoped contributing followed by the clued in general public all while the NRA was hemorrhaging money in legal battles, I mean hundreds of thousands per month in billed hours.

Someone here asked if it was so public how did LaPierrie get re-elected by the members?
Two reasons.
1. Many did not know or care.
2. Mail-in voting.
Before anyone gets too alarmed or joyful over this event, relax,
They will come out stronger and the new leaders will bring back the major doners like Brownell's and Midway USA among others in a matter of days.
Plenty of people out there like the Second Amendment Foundation that are stopping the gun grabbers in their tracks.

 

If you aren't an NRA member, why do you care?

 

Yea, what crimes did she charge? You know, the law?

 

LaPierre and Company may have damaged the NRA "brand" enough it isn't worth trying to save, no doubt much to the disappointment of core supporters. "May" is the operative word in my comment because I don't know where gun rights supporters would be advised to go from here.

This is a short version of what I proposed on this forum in 2018:

Have a national gun permit and a law that says your butt will be in serious trouble if you're caught with a firearm without a permit. Fingerprint every permit holder so we can easily transfer guns by checking fingerprints against the database with an inexpensive reader.

No gun permit to felons, gang members, or people without basic skills. We can take guns away from those going senile, mentally ill, or guilty of domestic abuse.

We should sweep gang members with guns off the streets. Make room in jails for thugs by ending the insane "war on drugs."

We can slow down the black hats without taking guns from the white hats.​

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/im-pro-gun-change-my-mind.527369/page-15#post-1068767603

I think there is a way to meet the need of urban areas to deal with gangs having weapons, the reality of guns in rural areas (where gun control is arguably an unnecessary nuisance), and the need to keep guns out of the hands of people with dementia, mental illness, or a history of domestic abuse.

I realize this puts me in a squeeze between gun control and gun rights advocates, but so be it.

 

Yes criminal charges and prosecutions should only effect those who violated the law and no such charges were brought. Do you believe the role of a government prosecutor is to disband political groups you and she disagree with?
As I have said

New York’s Lawless NRA Lawsuit
"......But nonprofit executives do not take a vow of poverty, and many of them earn sums comparable to what executives in the for-profit sector make. You may be scandalized by it, but it isn’t a crime.

For comparison: Former Planned Parenthood boss Cecile Richards enjoyed a seven-figure compensation package, and nobody can say the nation’s abortionists didn’t get their money’s worth. The heads of the teachers’ unions are very nicely compensated. Nonprofit or not, if you want Wynton Marsalis to run Jazz at Lincoln Center, it’s going to cost you upward of $2 million a year — which is a lot less than the head of the Metropolitan Museum of Art makes. The CEOs of nonprofit hospital groups sometimes earn tens of millions of dollars. Big salaries and generous expense accounts constitute neither a crime nor a civil offense — those are a matter for the boards and supporters of the NRA and other nonprofit organizations."
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/new-yorks-lawless-nra-lawsuit/

 

Not the amount LaPierre and Friends are accused of taking.

If you were on the left, you'd probably support Antifa. No much political sense.

What you don't want are spokesman (or spokeswomen) people don't respect.

 

there should absolutely be no national permit system or anything like that. It is not the government’s business to know who is armed. If someone is a felon, they can’t have a gun anyway. That is enough.

a big reason for private citizens to own firearms is to keep the federal government in check. When all else fails, an armed populace will keep Washington from overstepping their bounds. If the government knows exactly who owns firearms, they can act preemptively to disarm people. That should never be able to happen.

 

The nonprofit is authorized by the state.

 

The organization is operating outside the law.

 

The national firearms license would allow you to possess a firearm, not keep track of who owns a weapon. A license that could be checked against a database with a smartphone would allow for the easy transfer of weapons.

While I don't think this is very realistic, a national firearms license wouldn't preclude holding weapons for this purpose.

You do realize the government would have a better idea of who actually has a weapon in their possession from other information than from who has a license--right?

 

As are for profit corporations.

 

How so no criminal charges were filed.

 

As cited above yes they can be and it is not criminal, whybis this DA trying to use her legal authority to disband a group based on her opposition to their political position?

You make no sense.

 

Of course not. Please explain why she wants to dissolve the NRA. If you don't think it is to attack gun rights then you are very naive. I think you understand that well enough.

I'm sure it can use some reform like any large organization. That isn't the point. The point is dissolution.

 

Evidence?

 

I just find it fascinating, as I have since day 1, that people will defend clear cut claims of corruption.

I don't really care long term... But if this lady gets similar results to the way she dismantled the Trump foundation last fall, it'll be entertaining...

You may have missed that story as it was during Trump's impeachment...

 

If an organization refuses to self-police, oversight needs to step in... This is that.

Here's an interesting opinion article on why this lawsuit is civil and not criminal

https://www.yahoo.com/news/real-reason-york-attorney-general-224915491.html

Sounds like this rightly should have been a criminal case coming from the DOJ, but they seem to be on a 4 year rest break.

Chill out on the dissolution... It's not like NRA 2.0 can't be restarted in another state with no oversight on how their "non-profits" work.

 

So?

 

And that oversight is the board of directors, not the government.

The real reason is a political attack on the NRA and Trump's prospects for re-election.

I wouldn't have any problem with that.

Chill out? A partisan hack with power is using the judicial system to attempt to affect an election and hurt a political enemy. I don't chill out about government corruption.

 

We give non-profits a special break on taxes in this country. My taxes support their non-tax status. If they aren't adhering
to the non-profit rules, they need to disband and re-organize under for-profit status. Doesn't matter what type of
political affiliation they have.

Ain't rocket science.

 

Not defending them, although consistency would seem to demand you be equally upset about clear cut claims of corruption that Durham in looking into in his criminal investigation, that impact us far more than whatever the NRA is doing. LaPierre should go, and I say that as an NRA member who once met him at an NRA convention.

You mean during his acquittal of shampeachment?

 

So you want to disband the SPLC, right?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...aw-center-hate-groups-scam-column/2022301001/