NZ Shooting: Guns Were Legally Owned

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  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And so begins the scapegoating.

    In another thread I remained optimistic that we would not be divided by this horrible tragedy, that we would indeed be united by the desire to not let the terrorists win.

    My opinion of this has now changed.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-47578860

    PM Jacinda Ardern confirms that the suspect held a Category A gun licence - and that, under that licence, he was able to legally buy the weapons used in that shooting.

    She then repeats that this is why the country's gun laws need to be reformed


    The gunman owning his own guns legally would be like an Islamist terror perpetrator being the head of the council for Islamic relations or something. People are not going to be able to resist scapegoating innocents.

    Out of this Kiwis will lose at least their semi-automatic rifles.

    It is quite possible they will lose their handguns also.

    It is beyond doubt in my view that they will have a mandatory buyback like Australia did.

    It is quite possible this will reach across the pond to Australia, and screw me over. They may take my Glock 17a because of this.

    Everyone everywhere take a moment's silence for the 49 victims of this horrible tragedy.

    Gun owners everywhere take a moment's silence for New Zealand and Australian gun owners. Their liberty is about to be significantly curtailed and they're about to be scapegoated to an unprecedented degree.

    It will get ugly.

    They will succeed in dividing us. I was wrong. I am sorry.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Read the manifesto of this scum. I am firmly against its censorship. We need to see this as part of our healing process.

    Under the section Why Did You Carry Out the Attack:

    "To create conflict between the two ideologies in the United States on the ownership of firearms."

    Why did you choose to use firearms?

    I could have chosen any weapons or means. Gas, fire, vehicular attacks, plane attacks, any means were available. I had the will and the resources.

    I chose firearms for the affect it would have on the social discourse"


    He is asking us to limit our freedoms and like little sheep we will go along with it and do precisely as he asks.
     
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    Stop shooting people and you can have all the guns you want. Murder people, and you can’t.
    New Zealand is preparing to ban all semi auto weapons.
     
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    "NZ Shooting: Guns Were Legally Owned"

    must not of been too hard to buy a gun like this then
     
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    Oh yes it will get ugly, the anti's both there and here are already calling for more restrictions and laws to prevent what some of the strictest firearm laws in the world didn't prevent.

    The core part of the problem is the anti's don't want to prevent any deaths by firearms, they want to eliminate the G*d given freedom we have under the Second, if they gave an iota about the deaths caused by the misuse of firearms they would do like Mothers Against Drunk Driving did, MADD went after the cause of the problem, that being drink drivers not the symptom, DUI accidents, never once did MADD blame motor vehicles for the deaths caused by drunk drivers because they understand that's not the cause of the problem.

    The anti's on the other hand, like clockwork, always go after firearms while standing on their soapbox of dead bodies, they should be considered to be some very sick people for using death to promote a political cause and I believe a lot of law abiding citizens are catching on to that and realize it isn't a normal behavior.



    Already New Zealand politicians are calling for a total ban on semi-automatic firearms, as for handguns for self defense in NZ they are already banned.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-mosques-in-christchurch-new-zealand.552545/
     
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    Just to posses a long-gun a New Zealander must have a gun license, licenses which are not shall issue, but are issued at the discretion of the police.

    To be issued with a firearms license, the applicant must be a fit and proper person over the age of 16.

    They also need to have adequate secure storage for firearms, which will be inspected by the police, attend a safety program administered by the Mountain Safety Council, pass a written safety test, pay the requisite fee, and supply passport-standard photographs with their application.

    Police also individually interview the applicant and two referrals, one of whom must be a close relative and the other unrelated, to determine the applicant's suitability for a license.

    The applicant's residence is also visited to check for appropriate storage of firearms and ammunition and to ensure any other people living there are not a security risk. Having criminal associations or a history of domestic violence almost always leads to a license being refused. An application can be refused if the applicant has indicators of drug or alcohol abuse, criminal associations, a history of domestic violence, or a physical, mental health or disability issue that would prevent them possessing or using a firearm safely. Previous denied applications or revoked licenses may also be cause for denial.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sounds like anyone that applies gets one unless they have a criminal history, ect.... here we do backgound checks that have the same purpose
     
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    Actually there are huge differences, a license is may issue, versus shall issue where like in New York, opens the process to bribes for licenses, here the police don't visit your home to see where you will store your firearm, there they do, here the firearms are not registered, there they are, here mental health records are prohibited from being checked, there they are checked, here a DUI conviction will not cause a NICS hit, there a DUI conviction is a disqualifier.

    And even with all of those anti-gunner wants in place, this massacre still happened.
     
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    Not really. There’s no requirement to do BCs on private sales.
    New Zealand allows private gun sales between only licensed gun owners who have had BCs. We allow private sales with no requirements on the sale between any two breathing humanoids. Their gun death rate, even given this tragedy is far below ours.
    We have our share of far right white extremists here; they’re the most active shooters of all terrorist groups.
     
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    The single biggest contributor to gun crimes, is opportunity. We have the willing participants with far right groups the most prevalent. Making sure there is easy access to guns keeps guaranteeing these tragedies will continue.
     
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    never said there was, I said their system sounds like our Background checks system

    if every free Americans has a constitutional right to own a gun, why the need for a background check?
     
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    yep, you need to get a license to conceal a gun in most states
     
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    And even though all the shooters firearms where legally purchased the mass killing still happened, exposing the fallacy of the anti-gunners wishes.

    One little problem with that specious statement, this guy identifies himself as a socialist/leftist, not a far right extremist.
     
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    Yes but not to purchase except in some areas.
     
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    Their system is not like ours. You need a gun license to buy or sell a gun, anytime.
    . We need BCs for one reason. Every American doesn’t have the right to possess any gun, anywhere.
     
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    The USSC disagrees with your incorrect opinion.
     
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    agree, it's like ours in ways, but not in others, they deny some of their citizens gun rights, so do we
     
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    Opportunity, the single biggest contributor to gun crimes? If so, considering the US has over 125 mil gun owners having access to somewhere around 500mil guns why don’t we have more gun crime. That many people don’t have the opportunity?
     
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    agree
     
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    We do. We have more then anyother industrialized country.
     
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    Because opportunity is not the cause of the majority of firearm crimes in the U.S., here we have a small minority of hard core criminals, creating the majority of firearm crimes and the majority of them are located in urban areas commonly run by liberal Democrats, why do they get away with it, because of a entrenched justice system there that promotes catch and release, versus imprisonment.
     
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    You’re not denying a felon a right he looses by choice. You’re not denying a right of a 9 year old whose too young to qualify. When people no longer qualify, they lose their right to possess a gun. You deny gun possession as a way of preserving other’s rights not to deal with 9 year olds coming to school with guns.
     
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    Actually not true.
     
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    And yet such incidents in the united states are very few and far between, despite the supposed ease of committing such acts.
     
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    And that fact will never change. Even if ninety nine percent of all firearms in the united states could immediately be removed from the equation, the country would still have more firearms than any other industrialized country in the world.
     

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