Obama is the GREATEST President in HISTORY

Except they didn't last November, the Electoral College did

 

Don’t you wish Obama thought like this instead of pushing new job killing regulations?

Tremendous investment by companies from all over the world being made in America. There has never been anything like it. Now Disney, J.P. Morgan Chase and many others. Massive Regulation Reduction and Tax Cuts are making us a powerhouse again. Long way to go! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs! ~ Trump

 

I have plenty of stats to show how Hillary blew it. Yes, she won the popular vote and if she hadn't been so lazy or run a ho hum campaign, hid from the media except going on shows that were 100% supporters of her, among other things, she should have become president. She blew it, she lost it. The reason Hillary lost isn't the Russians, it is Hillary herself.

Name me one other candidate who would let her opposition out campaign and out work them by a 116-71 margin in campaign stops/visits? Did she take the election for granted? Losing a lot of Sanders voters due to the jury rigged Democratic primaries to Trump and third party candidates didn't help either.

 

The voters in each state chose whom their state went for. So the voters did choose. It was Hillary's laziness and taking the blue wall for granted that lost those three key states. Wisconsin, Trump made 5 campaign visits/stops to Hillary's none from 1 Sep through 8 Nov. Seems she took Wisconsin for granted. How about Michigan, Trump 6, Hillary 1. She let herself be out worked and out campaigned there also. Did she assume Michigan was also hers without having to work for it? Pennsylvania was much closer, 8-5. Still the 8 campaign stops/visits are Trump's. How about delegate rich Florida, Trump 13 campaign visits/stops to Hillary's 8. Make up your own mind.

How about the rigged Democratic primaries which made Sanders supporters angry. Angry enough that 12% of them voted for Trump, another 12% for third party candidates while 76% voted for Clinton. Compare that to the democratic base which went 89-8 Clinton over Trump with only 3% voting third party. That's not counting those sanders supporters who stayed home and never voted. Like my grand daughter who was an avid Sanders supporter. She said to heck with it.

Might it be the rigged Democratic primaries by the DNC and state Democratic Party leaders actually lead to Hillary's loss?

Hillary in my opinion still would have won if she hadn't tried to run up the score concentrating on winning Georgia, Arizona and Utah and paid more attention to her own backyard, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. The election was Hillary's to lose and lose she did.

 

All Americans gave Trump's opponent - despite her considerable dislikability and the relentless, futile partisan attempts to "Lock her up!" - a 2,868,691 margin over Trump.

7,744 of those votes meant that electors were chosen that gave him a 77 vote victory.

The American public's assessment of Trump ever since has been consistently abysmal.

That does not give me any confidence that either Party will be any wiser next time.

Biden? Romney? Kadich? Gillibrand? etc.? Before the hyper-partisan slimefest, Trump is making quite a few look damned good!

 

You mean Donald "The Crook" Trump? That would be more accurate although I could think of some more colorful terms.

 

I don't consider Obama to be the worst president in my lifetime but he was certainly the most destructive.

 

Ha ha! Try being a black conservative in the larger black community. If Uncle Tom is the worst they call you, consider yourself lucky.

 

Trump has made the other 17 GOP primary candidates look good along with all the democratic candidates except Hillary Clinton. Knowing what I do today and my distaste for one each Donald J. Trump, I would still vote third party if the election was held today. I would never vote for any candidate that in my opinion would leave this country in worst shape once they left office than when they first entered as was the case with both Trump and Clinton. I did my best to defeat both, but lost.

 

Trump or Clinton was the realistic choice. Most made the better choice, but Trump became President.

 

For me, that wasn't a sane choice and I refused to abide by an insane, irresponsible choice forced upon us. Many others did so, they choose between two choices trying to figure out which was the lesser of two evils or which candidate would do less damage during their tenure as president.

When one looks at the non-affiliated, call them independents, 54% of them disliked both candidates. Yet only 12% of all independents voted third party. Who knows how many stayed home? But of those who did vote,42 out of that 54 did make a choice between two candidates they detested. That is probably why Trump won. Trump won independents 46-42 over Clinton with the 12% as I stated voting third party.

When asked whom those 12% would have voted for if there wasn't any third party candidates to choose from. Just Trump and Clinton, a two candidate race only. The results was 19% Trump, 16% Clinton, 65% would not vote.

 

As a pragmatist, like most Americans, I went with the lesser undesirable. Geographical happenstance resulted in 78 thousand votes having more say than 2.9 million.

The nation is enduring the consequences, the most consistently unpopular POTUS in history. My guess is that Clinton, a known quantity, would have merely been mediocre.

 

Looks like eeven the pope agrees with trump.

 

Who knows since it didn't happen. But as a friend of mine said, Trump was a businessman, a TV personality, an completely unknown when it came to politics. Hillary was a known commodity, everyone knew what she would do and has done. She was the known quantity. America went with the devil they didn't know over the devil they did. I agree with him on that.

One thing to remember is both Trump and Clinton had unfavorable ratings of 60% or higher or as I like to equate it, a dislike factor of 60% of Americans. Regardless of who won, the winner was going to start his or her presidency with approximately 60% of Americans against them. Also the republicans had control of congress and all the investigation committees. You can bet they would have used them against Hillary. Whereas the Democrats set out to destroy Trump the day after the election, the GOP would have set out to destroy Hillary on the same day had she won. I highly doubt that Hillary would have a higher approval rating than what Trump does now.

When approximately 60% of all America doesn't or didn't want the winner, what do you expect to happen? That would have been the case with Hillary also. This should have been expected, when the two candidate offered up by both major parties have only a favorable ratings, seen in a positive light by only 36% and 38% of all America. What can I say?

Perhaps the Democrats shouldn't choose their candidate four years in advance as was the case with Hillary. Perhaps they, the democrats shouldn't jury rig their primaries in one candidates favor? Perhaps the democrats ought to choose a candidate who is willing to work and campaign to get elected? You do know Trump out worked and out campaigned Hillary 116 to 71 campaign visits/stops. Would any other democratic candidate let her or his opponent do that? Then there is the strategy, the inept campaign along with Clinton supporters having a more ho hum attitude vs. a very enthusiastic Trump supporters.

In short, I think Hillary and the DNC and state Democratic party leaders caused their own defeat. Trump didn't win it, Hillary lost it.

 

Greatest president ever.

 

History may well say that some day and possibly quite soon.

 

I voted for Obama twice and think he did a good job. His final job approval was 60% (gallup). Greatest? That's a pretty high bar and those that transcended it are enshrined on Mount Rushmore (A+). Obama's legacy will be that he was our first black president, signed into law Obamacare, and led us out of a deep recession. I give him a B+.

 

It's amazing how people can see the roles of politicians so differently after the fact. Understandable during elections and even in office, but hindsight is invariably superior. It can only be that people are using grossly different standards to measure performance- indeed, it seems more of a popularity contest than one of performance. We like eloquent speakers (Obama), charming leaders (Bill C), and people who offer profound visions like JFK. All of that can be present without serving the nation at all. Personally, I measure by results and accomplishments, including keeping promises. Bad legislation in particular I find very offensive, because once such a beast is set free, it's legacy goes on well past that of the person who spawned it.

I give Obama a "D" at best, maybe a D minus- and I voted for him, which I will always regret. I felt Obamacare was a terrible plan; virtually a socialist one, but most importantly it addressed the availability of insurance rather than controlling the cost of insurance, which is the real reason so many can't afford it. The cost of insurance in turn is not due to the insurance companies, it is off the charts due to the expenses of our medical system- and our medical care is about 4-5 times more expensive than most of the developed nations. When a Tylenol is $15 a pill in the hospital and ten cents at the grocery store, there is something fundamentally and grossly wrong about the expense. Fix the issues driving such expense, and you have fixed the insurance problem along with a lot more. Obama never saw that, never addressed it once. Obamacare allowed the medical monster to continue to feed on the people, and guaranteed that all of us would be on the dinner plate feeding it whether we liked it or not. That is the socialist plan, not one of a free people. His talent was oratory- not management or understanding or real leadership. I think he will be remembered by history in the future as the first black president- nothing more, at least nothing positive. I give him a D minus.

 

Historians state that it takes 20 years after a president leaves off to rate or rank him fairly accurate. That gives them time to see how any presidents policies effected the nation in the long term. It also give the partisan effect time to wane, although the partisan effect will never go away.

Yes, Obama will go down in history as being the first black president. Although I don't understand how being half black and half white makes him all black. But I suppose that is left to those who are very race conscious to label. Rating presidents is very subjective, usually the R and the D take to the forefront in how one rates or ranks a president.

In the three polls take since Obama left office, I find it interests that he is ranked the second best president since WWII and is at the same time ranked 2nd worst president since WWII in all three polls.

2017 Quinnipiac poll

Four years later, a Quinnipiac University poll taken January 20–25, 2017, asked 1,190 voters in the United States who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.[42]


Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (30%)

Barack Obama (29%)

John F. Kennedy (12%)

Bill Clinton (9%)

Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (3%)

George W. Bush (tie) (3%)

Harry Truman (tie) (2%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)

Jimmy Carter (tie) (2%)

George H.W. Bush (tie) (2%)

Richard Nixon (tie) (<1%)

Gerald R. Ford (tie) (<1%)


Worst President since World War II:

Richard Nixon (24%)

Barack Obama (23%)

George W. Bush (22%)

Jimmy Carter (10%)

Ronald Reagan (5%)

Bill Clinton (4%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (3%)

George H.W. Bush (2%)

Gerald R. Ford (1%)

Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)

Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)

John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)


2017 Morning Consult poll

Including for the first time President Donald Trump, a Morning Consult poll taken February 9–10, 2017, asked 1,791 registered voters in the United States, who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.[43][44]


Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (26%)

Barack Obama (20%)

John F. Kennedy (17%)

Bill Clinton (9%)

Donald Trump (6%)

George W. Bush (tie) (2%)

Harry Truman (tie) (2%)

Jimmy Carter (tie) (2%)

George H.W. Bush (tie) (2%)

Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (1%)

Gerald R. Ford (<1%)


Worst President since World War II:

Donald Trump (26%)

Barack Obama (25%)

Richard Nixon (13%)

George W. Bush (7%)

Bill Clinton (6%)

Jimmy Carter (5%)

George H.W. Bush (3%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (2%)

Ronald Reagan (tie) (1%)

Gerald R. Ford (tie) (1%)

Harry S. Truman (tie) (1%)

John F. Kennedy (<1%)


2018 Quinnipiac poll

A Quinnipiac University poll taken March 3–5, 2018, asked 1,122 voters in the United States who they thought were the best and worst Presidents since World War II.[45]


Best President since World War II:

Ronald Reagan (28%)

Barack Obama (24%)

John F. Kennedy (tie) (10%)

Bill Clinton (tie) (10%)

Donald Trump (7%)

Dwight Eisenhower (4%)

Harry Truman (tie) (3%)

Jimmy Carter (tie) (3%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (2%)

George H.W. Bush (tie) (1%)

Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)

George W. Bush (tie) (1%)

Gerald R. Ford (<1%)


Worst President since World War II:

Donald Trump (41%)

Barack Obama (21%)

Richard Nixon (10%)

Jimmy Carter (8%)

George W. Bush (6%)

Bill Clinton (4%)

Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)

Ronald Reagan (tie) (2%)

Gerald R. Ford (1%)

Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)

Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)

John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)

George H.W. Bush (tie) (<1%)

Where Obama fits in with the rankings or his exact legacy won't be known until 20 or so years from now. At least in my opinion. I was born right after WWII, my top four FYI is IKE, JFK, Reagan and Bill Clinton with Bill and Ronnie switch positions depending on which side of the bed I get up on. The worst, Carter, Ford, G.W. Bush and Obama. There too the numbers three and four switched positions every so often.

But all of this is subjective to ones politics and loyalty to a political party in how they view each president. How one views Obama is an individual thing, I'll let the historians rank the rest, they're only up to Bill Clinton.

 

Obuffoon the greatest?

Thanks for the laugh. No one divided America more than the man who hated America so much he wanted to tear it apart and start over.

 

Good information so thanks. Looks like Obama represents quite a dichotomy. I was born just before WWII. I'm surprised IKE doesn't rate higher since to my (and evidently your) generation, IKE was a god. My top four in my lifetime? Hmmm in no rank order it would be Eisenhower, Reagan, Obama, and FDR. I think that is because each of these men served during periods of great tribulation and triumphed.

As an interesting aside, history informs us that IKE was the only man to assume the presidency and find the job relatively easy. I guess after being Supreme Allied Commander in WWII that makes sense.

 

Very true. Obama's massive division was based off of racial politics. Like sending white house aides to the funeral of a man who attempted to kill a cop.

Then he supported "hands up don't shoot" rioters which turned out "hands up don't shoot" was a lie.

Obama's many divisions remove him from any consideration of being great. That and being responsible for ISIS growth.

 

Classic liberal BS. The OP starts it out right with naming accomplishments but then resorts to race baiting and calling republicans racist which have zero to do with Obama accomplishments.
Are you guys even capable of discussing anything with out race?
Sad!

 

Racism! is all the left has.

And silly ideas like grounding all planes and eliminating all cows within 12 years.

 

But it has everything to do with why so many conservatives rejected him out of hand, and with mostly, less than honorable arguments.